On 30 September 2010 10:32, George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com> wrote:
2010/9/30 Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com>:
No, but we are working together towards improving our system. This is what you can't have in .net and/or java where community don't have a chance to participate in development process, but have to wait till vendor release new version, and then start using it.
Yes. But it relates mostly to .NET because MS aggressively tries to substitute all the open source libraries with their own "standard" ones (XML, ORM, even unit testing!). But in Java world the situation is a bit different. While users can't affect the language itself, the community makes plenty of libraries just to compensate the poorness of the language. And Sun (now Oracle) does not bother itself with inventing their own.
I think the difference between these communities and Smalltalk community results from the nature of Smalltalk language where you can implement some system functionality as a library, while in other lanugages this would require changes made by vendor in the core.
Right. And this is done by intent to keep you hooked, so vendor makes sure that there will be buyers of new product releases, because of 'this will be fixed in new version' motto. I think it is ok for end-user products, where you not expecting users to write own programs, but for development tools & libraries, i think this is unacceptable.
George
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