In past ESUG media (presentation slides) i saw and briliant example of enchancing Shout (or paragraph editor) with interactive icons. Is this work incomplete or it can be observed? In presentation it was named OBEnchancments, but i didnt saw any of this features in Squeak or Pharo. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 21:02, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I agree. :) I would love to have that. this is why we should really have a system to experiment these ideas.
Stef
On Sep 12, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote:
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
well for this we will have to rewrite paragraphEditor :) So in making pharo moves forward we will have to accept losing some feedback.
The feedback is still there. The piece of code is still marked as a problem. It just doesn't get in your way.
But yes your idea is cool.
You'll have to do more than that. I think this whole 80ies style browser that's based on scrolling, clicking and popups doesn't cut it anymore and adding more tabs and buttons isn't gonna fix it.
Example, why is the browser the size it currently is? Because that was more or less full screen in the 80ies. Consequence you'll always have to resize and scroll when you open a browser because the category and class panes are too small. I see how this was cool, exciting and new in the 80ies but today it gets in my way.
Example, I want to go to a method in a class. Either I click '--all--' and scroll, scroll, look, scroll, scroll back or I click through the protocols until I found on it. When I'm in Eclipse and want to open a variable or method declaration I hit Ctrl + O, Eclipse shows me a short outline of the class. Like in Firefox Awesome Bar it filters the list as I type part of the name. Once I select something it closes and goes there. Zero mouse activity. Zero additional window. When I'm in a method and want to go to a method invoked there either I Ctrl + click it or I hit F3. When I want to see the hierarchy of a class or the inheritance of a method I just do Ctrl + T and an inline window opens. It closes when I select something or hit Esc. Pharo stacks so many windows on top of each other that you're never going to find your way back. So at the end of the day you just close dozens of windows.
Short anecdote, I our current project we don't ask the user for confirmation, ever. If he decides to delete Migros, we do it without asking. The previous version of the product did but users just developed a reflex to click popups away without even reading them.
And don't get me started on breakpoints. Or blocking the UI.
Cheers Philippe
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