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Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo for the Raspberry Pi

by Norbert Hartl

Ah, forgot to ask. What is the status of ARM support for NativeBoost? Norbert Am 02.10.2013 um 13:54 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > Maybe I find some time tomorrow to try this out myself. If somebody is super eager to do that stuff I might install remote access to our rasp. > > Norbert > > Am 02.10.2013 um 13:58 schrieb Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr>: > >> Hi Sven, >> >> if we manage that stage I'll write that up. This looks like good info to start with :) >> >> Thierry >> >> Le 02/10/2013 13:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe a Ã©crit : >>> Hi Nick, >>> >>> On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid. >>> >>> What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-) >>> >>> So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ? >>> >>> That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution. >>> >>> Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Sven >>> >>>> The procedure I took was: >>>> * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. >>>> * Export the StackVM source >>>> * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi >>>> * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) >>>> * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image >>>> >>>> I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days. >>>> >>>> Here are some notes I made at the time: >>>> >>>> On the raspberry PI: >>>> # install build tools >>>> sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake >>>> >>>> # dependencies for vm plugins >>>> sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev >>>> >>>> sudo apt-get install build-essential >>>> >>>> # to fix: >>>> # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM >>>> #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE >>>> # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ >>>> >>>> sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so >>>> sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so >>>> >>>> Once the source is installed: >>>> >>>> chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version >>>> chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp >>>> >>>> At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed: >>>> >>>> platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h >>>> platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c >>>> platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h >>>> src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this helps >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>>> Ok, thanks for the info, Sven. >>>> >>>> Thierry >>>> >>>> Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>> Thierry, >>>> >>>> On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi? >>>> >>>> I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images. >>>> >>>> Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. >>>> Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support. >>>> >>>> Sven >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Thierry >>>> -- >>>> Thierry Goubier >>>> CEA list >>>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>>> France >>>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thierry Goubier >>>> CEA list >>>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>>> France >>>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> >

Oct. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo for the Raspberry Pi

by Norbert Hartl

Maybe I find some time tomorrow to try this out myself. If somebody is super eager to do that stuff I might install remote access to our rasp. Norbert Am 02.10.2013 um 13:58 schrieb Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr>: > Hi Sven, > > if we manage that stage I'll write that up. This looks like good info to start with :) > > Thierry > > Le 02/10/2013 13:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe a Ã©crit : >> Hi Nick, >> >> On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid. >> >> What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-) >> >> So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ? >> >> That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution. >> >> Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sven >> >>> The procedure I took was: >>> * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. >>> * Export the StackVM source >>> * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi >>> * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) >>> * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image >>> >>> I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days. >>> >>> Here are some notes I made at the time: >>> >>> On the raspberry PI: >>> # install build tools >>> sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake >>> >>> # dependencies for vm plugins >>> sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev >>> >>> sudo apt-get install build-essential >>> >>> # to fix: >>> # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM >>> #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE >>> # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ >>> >>> sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so >>> sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so >>> >>> Once the source is installed: >>> >>> chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version >>> chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp >>> >>> At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed: >>> >>> platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h >>> platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c >>> platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h >>> src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c >>> >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> >>> On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>> Ok, thanks for the info, Sven. >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a Ã©crit : >>> >>> Thierry, >>> >>> On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi? >>> >>> I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images. >>> >>> Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. >>> Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support. >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Thierry >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

Oct. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] About configuration of image projects

by Christophe Demarey

For the current version of Metacello in the image, you can use the ConfigurationOfMetacello in http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/metacello. The base version is 1.0-beta.31.1.5 but we (the Pharo community) did some patches on top of it. I think these patches don't modify the dependencies but only packages version to load. Le 2 oct. 2013 Ã 11:19, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > ok but I need a MC package for now. > >> As we will very soon integrate a new version of Metacello, we already have this configuration. >> It will be: https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/master/repository/Baseli… >> >> Christophe. >> >> Le 2 oct. 2013 Ã 09:35, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >> >>> yes! >>> I add it to the list >>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> what about start with this and only update packages and repositories? >>>> >>>> Gofer new >>>> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; >>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfMetacello'; >>>> load. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/10/2 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please, can you create (update and put it to Pharo repositories) a >>>>>> ConfigurationOfMetacello? :-) >>>>> >>>>> That I do not know how to do it :) or I can simply create one based on what is in the image. >>>>> We should sync with dale. >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Pavel >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/10/2 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>> Done with >>>>>>> ConfigurationOfAST (but could not really test it) >>>>>>> ConfigurationOfAST-Interperter (tx for the configuration - so cool when it is already there. >>>>>>> next >>>>>>> ConfigurationOfEnvironment >>>>>>> ConfigurationOfRefactoringEngine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2013, at 9:25 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I started to work on creating configuration for all the projects inside the image >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RB >>>>>>>> Spec >>>>>>>> Zinc >>>>>>>> Ring >>>>>>>> OPAL >>>>>>>> AST >>>>>>>> Nautilus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> KeyMapping >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> why because I want to be able to express the dependencies so that we get a modular system and that >>>>>>>> we can build it based on miniImage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So if you got some configuration in the past and your project got integrated in the image please let me know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Pharo/ASMJit >>>>>>>> - Pharo/Fuel >>>>>>>> - Pharo/NativeBoost >>>>>>>> - Pharo/Athens >>>>>>>> Got them >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >

Oct. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo for the Raspberry Pi

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Nick, On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid. What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-) So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ? That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution. Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-) Thanks, Sven > The procedure I took was: > * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. > * Export the StackVM source > * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi > * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) > * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image > > I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days. > > Here are some notes I made at the time: > > On the raspberry PI: > # install build tools > sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake > > # dependencies for vm plugins > sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev > > sudo apt-get install build-essential > > # to fix: > # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM > #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE > # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ > > sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so > sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so > > Once the source is installed: > > chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version > chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp > > At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed: > > platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h > platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c > platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h > src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c > > > Hope this helps > > Nick > > > On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > Ok, thanks for the info, Sven. > > Thierry > > Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a Ã©crit : > > Thierry, > > On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi? > > I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images. > > Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. > Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support. > > Sven > > Thanks, > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > > > > > > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > >

Oct. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] IDE Nice idea

by Esteban A. Maringolo

I totally agree... some UI patterns are there for a reason. I really like the look of this IDE, the integration of the package/recently modified views, and also the classes and its extensions. Regarding the fourth panel, I also agree with you. I wouldn't remove it. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/10/2 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > yes... I always said that a toolbar is a toolbar, not something weird in the middle :) > also I like what they did with the icons (still like more the eclipsepack, thought) > > Esteban > > On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:04 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> http://linkuistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/stardustob.png >> >> I like the way recently modified is on top of all packages and I like the way categories are shown. >> >> stef > >

Oct. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] IDE Nice idea

by Goubier Thierry

Le 02/10/2013 12:59, Camillo Bruni a Ã©crit : > well you basically need just a single tree ;) > > - package > - class > - protocol > - method I do the single tree with: - package group - package - extension - aClass - method - aClass - aClass class - protocol - method - comment - protocol - method I'm so accustomed to the way this reduces my work view to the things I need that I feel useless when working with Nautilus :) And no more class / instance toggle to boot, the ability to write an instance method while looking at all the methods on the class side, the ability to look at another class method names while writing a method, the removal of all buttons and toolbars, etc... I also like the fact I never have to remember that *package-name-test-thingy-whatever is the protocol name for the extensions of Package-Name-Test-Thingy-Whatever, and that I shouldn't get the name wrong! Thierry > On 2013-10-02, at 12:04, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> honestly, for me removing the 3rd panel generates much more confusion. >> not the we shouldn't think on better ways to represent the information, but I prefer to have the protocol panel rather than a three, for example. >> >> Esteban >> >> On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> >>> I wonder why they bother with the third pane; the fourth pane with the categories shown make that redundant. >>> >>> A bit too much space wasted for a small window or a netbook screen for my taste. >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> Le 02/10/2013 11:04, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >>>> http://linkuistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/stardustob.png >>>> >>>> I like the way recently modified is on top of all packages and I like the way categories are shown. >>>> >>>> stef >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >> >> > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Oct. 2, 2013

Pharo Hangout started!

by Esteban Lorenzano

https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6f772c1bde79e74813993c0e8a05a495f6713175 So, come in :) Esteban

Oct. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] IDE Nice idea

by Camillo Bruni

well you basically need just a single tree ;) - package - class - protocol - method On 2013-10-02, at 12:04, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > honestly, for me removing the 3rd panel generates much more confusion. > not the we shouldn't think on better ways to represent the information, but I prefer to have the protocol panel rather than a three, for example. > > Esteban > > On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > >> I wonder why they bother with the third pane; the fourth pane with the categories shown make that redundant. >> >> A bit too much space wasted for a small window or a netbook screen for my taste. >> >> Thierry >> >> Le 02/10/2013 11:04, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >>> http://linkuistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/stardustob.png >>> >>> I like the way recently modified is on top of all packages and I like the way categories are shown. >>> >>> stef >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> > >

Oct. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hangout Session today!

by Marcus Denker

On Oct 2, 2013, at 12:49 PM, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > I'd say that the community is Pharo, not Pharo Smalltalk > > https://plus.google.com/communities/110606515284627209423 > yes, that is the official group. Marcus

Oct. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] failing moose tests

by Tudor Girba

You would get this problem anyway. Let's fix the current development version and the we resnapshot. In the longer term we will see how the enhancements from Diego can help. Doru Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:28, Stephan Eggermont <STEPHAN(a)STACK.NL> wrote: > (from pharo -dev) > > PharoVM-AcceptanceTest loads Moose-Stable. That is based on a snapshot. > As the snapshot flattens the configuration, it is basically unpatchable. > > Stephan > > >

Oct. 2, 2013