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March 27, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] PR2789, Rubric integration revert

by Tim Mackinnon

Guys - from the sidelines, Iâm feeling for all sides here. But this is an important point that itâs useful to debate openly and without hard feeling. (So thanks to all of you for this passion). Please lets ensure we donât get to a place that stops the will to contribute, nor the drive for improvement. Both are very important. And Iâve appreciated both! It sounds like a pattern is emerging where in the early days after a new release there is the drive to break a bit more to try and make a huge leap forward... I think we can all understand that, but itâs useful to be reminded about it and put some exit criterion put in place (as in the trenches their is also the same excitement to nail some of the niggly bits too). In the same vein, however, can we understand if these changes have broken P8 badly (is it just a a certain area?). I also think it is worth understanding the proâs and conâs of doing things in a branch. I think we would all agree that not breaking P8 mainline is optimal, but equally weâve all experienced merge hell too (and iceberg is still a nascent solution that is grappling with this problem). So was it just too hard to branch? And if it was, should we put a little - this is the process for hard things like this, safety check in place? Equally, if itâs âoopsâ, I think we all can understand that too. But most of all - we need everyone on board to make needed improvements, and keep our environment and community healthy! Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Mar 2019, at 17:50, ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: > > I think that you are exaggerating. > We are not working on Pharo 100% of our time and life is complex. > > Stef > >> ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: >>> Hi stephan >>> >>>> Unless someone is working on fixing it today, I want this PR reverted. >>>> Issues 2865, 2963, 2964, 2980, 3013 >>>> >>>> Stephan >>> >>> Nobody is working on Pharo this is well known. >> >> I am feeling angry and ignored. I am trying to contribute and am frustrated >> in doing so. I am asked to go through fogbugz and make sure that important >> issues are reopened on github. I do so and get comments that bugs donât >> solve themselves, on the one where I notice that Rubric is not ready. I >> find and fix important other bugs and try to integrate them and notice that >> a lot of things donât work as they should. CI has been systematically red. >> The first thing I notice is that an in-image test is red, with a trivial to >> fix issue. Then I run into all kinds of other problems with Rubric not >> implementing something. And Iâm not the only one, looking at the issue >> tracker. So I look back trough github and see no signs of improvements in >> the past 14 days. I collected the relevant issues and reached out on github >> and discord first, without getting a useful reaction. This is not the >> development process we are using, as I understand it. >> >> Please revert the PR. I have been working on FFI, Taskbar and CI bugs and I >> want to be able to commit, integrate PRs and make Pharo better. Pharo is >> mine. >> >>> >>> Sorry but I did not like the ton of your email, especially because there are >>> lot of information that you do not know. >> >> Iâm up to date with the github commits, issues and PRs, Discord and the >> mailing lists. If you feel contributors need more information, please make >> sure we get it > > There are information about private people and this is private! > >>> Now if you want to help, add the issue to the projects so that I can work >>> on them with Alain >>> and others. Else I will do it. >> >> Projects donât work yet. > > I just added your issues to them. > >> If you want time to focus on Rubric only and donât want other contributions >> to Pharo 8 at the moment, then please announce so. Or use a branch. Donât >> integrate a PR that breaks CI and then donât fix the issues for two weeks. > > Come on. Stop that kind of bullshit. > We have been integrating fixes since the beginning with tests not passing. > But you convince me I decided that I will stop reviewing issues and take responsibility > to integrate fixes. Esteban and marcus will do it. > > I will focus on my projects because Iâm total disagreement. > My point of view is that life is complex but you have the right to have rigid views and I have the right > to drop and use my time for something else. > > Stef > > >

March 27, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] PR2789, Rubric integration revert

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 26 Mar 2019, at 18:52, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am sorry you feel frustrated but this is an important change that is going on and we need to tackle it, not revert it. > Yes, probably last two weeks there has not been much movement, but reason is we are working on make PharoDays possible. > > Now, as Stef saidâ¦ Pharo 8 is alpha. > I will add VERY alpha. > Each release has some moments where there is something severely broken. From my part Iâm happy that this happens now and now (as usual) in august when we are preparing for release :) And NOT (as usual)â¦ etc. (errare humanum est :P) > > Please, do a step back and and rephrase your mail. You are the advocate of non-violent communication. Iâm afraid do tell you that the tone of the mail was very violent. > > In the positive lecture of things: yes, we are having problems with rubric. But once we fix it, you will be happier with it, Iâm sure :) > > Esteban > >> On 26 Mar 2019, at 18:39, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >> >> ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: >>> Hi stephan >>> >>>> Unless someone is working on fixing it today, I want this PR reverted. >>>> Issues 2865, 2963, 2964, 2980, 3013 >>>> >>>> Stephan >>> >>> Nobody is working on Pharo this is well known. >> >> I am feeling angry and ignored. I am trying to contribute and am frustrated >> in doing so. I am asked to go through fogbugz and make sure that important >> issues are reopened on github. I do so and get comments that bugs donât >> solve themselves, on the one where I notice that Rubric is not ready. I >> find and fix important other bugs and try to integrate them and notice that >> a lot of things donât work as they should. CI has been systematically red. >> The first thing I notice is that an in-image test is red, with a trivial to >> fix issue. Then I run into all kinds of other problems with Rubric not >> implementing something. And Iâm not the only one, looking at the issue >> tracker. So I look back trough github and see no signs of improvements in >> the past 14 days. I collected the relevant issues and reached out on github >> and discord first, without getting a useful reaction. This is not the >> development process we are using, as I understand it. >> >> Please revert the PR. I have been working on FFI, Taskbar and CI bugs and I >> want to be able to commit, integrate PRs and make Pharo better. Pharo is >> mine. >> >>> >>> Sorry but I did not like the ton of your email, especially because there are >>> lot of information that you do not know. >> >> Iâm up to date with the github commits, issues and PRs, Discord and the >> mailing lists. If you feel contributors need more information, please make >> sure we get it >> >>> Now if you want to help, add the issue to the projects so that I can work >>> on them with Alain >>> and others. Else I will do it. >> >> Projects donât work yet. >> >> If you want time to focus on Rubric only and donât want other contributions >> to Pharo 8 at the moment, then please announce so. Or use a branch. Donât >> integrate a PR that breaks CI and then donât fix the issues for two weeks. >> >> Stephan >> >> >> >> >> >

March 26, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] PR2789, Rubric integration revert

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, I am sorry you feel frustrated but this is an important change that is going on and we need to tackle it, not revert it. Yes, probably last two weeks there has not been much movement, but reason is we are working on make PharoDays possible. Now, as Stef saidâ¦ Pharo 8 is alpha. I will add VERY alpha. Each release has some moments where there is something severely broken. From my part Iâm happy that this happens now and now (as usual) in august when we are preparing for release :) Please, do a step back and and rephrase your mail. You are the advocate of non-violent communication. Iâm afraid do tell you that the tone of the mail was very violent. In the positive lecture of things: yes, we are having problems with rubric. But once we fix it, you will be happier with it, Iâm sure :) Esteban > On 26 Mar 2019, at 18:39, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: >> Hi stephan >> >>> Unless someone is working on fixing it today, I want this PR reverted. >>> Issues 2865, 2963, 2964, 2980, 3013 >>> >>> Stephan >> >> Nobody is working on Pharo this is well known. > > I am feeling angry and ignored. I am trying to contribute and am frustrated > in doing so. I am asked to go through fogbugz and make sure that important > issues are reopened on github. I do so and get comments that bugs donât > solve themselves, on the one where I notice that Rubric is not ready. I > find and fix important other bugs and try to integrate them and notice that > a lot of things donât work as they should. CI has been systematically red. > The first thing I notice is that an in-image test is red, with a trivial to > fix issue. Then I run into all kinds of other problems with Rubric not > implementing something. And Iâm not the only one, looking at the issue > tracker. So I look back trough github and see no signs of improvements in > the past 14 days. I collected the relevant issues and reached out on github > and discord first, without getting a useful reaction. This is not the > development process we are using, as I understand it. > > Please revert the PR. I have been working on FFI, Taskbar and CI bugs and I > want to be able to commit, integrate PRs and make Pharo better. Pharo is > mine. > >> >> Sorry but I did not like the ton of your email, especially because there are >> lot of information that you do not know. > > Iâm up to date with the github commits, issues and PRs, Discord and the > mailing lists. If you feel contributors need more information, please make > sure we get it > >> Now if you want to help, add the issue to the projects so that I can work >> on them with Alain >> and others. Else I will do it. > > Projects donât work yet. > > If you want time to focus on Rubric only and donât want other contributions > to Pharo 8 at the moment, then please announce so. Or use a branch. Donât > integrate a PR that breaks CI and then donât fix the issues for two weeks. > > Stephan > > > > >

March 26, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] PR2789, Rubric integration revert

by ducasse

I think that you are exaggerating. We are not working on Pharo 100% of our time and life is complex. Stef > ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: >> Hi stephan >> >>> Unless someone is working on fixing it today, I want this PR reverted. >>> Issues 2865, 2963, 2964, 2980, 3013 >>> >>> Stephan >> >> Nobody is working on Pharo this is well known. > > I am feeling angry and ignored. I am trying to contribute and am frustrated > in doing so. I am asked to go through fogbugz and make sure that important > issues are reopened on github. I do so and get comments that bugs donât > solve themselves, on the one where I notice that Rubric is not ready. I > find and fix important other bugs and try to integrate them and notice that > a lot of things donât work as they should. CI has been systematically red. > The first thing I notice is that an in-image test is red, with a trivial to > fix issue. Then I run into all kinds of other problems with Rubric not > implementing something. And Iâm not the only one, looking at the issue > tracker. So I look back trough github and see no signs of improvements in > the past 14 days. I collected the relevant issues and reached out on github > and discord first, without getting a useful reaction. This is not the > development process we are using, as I understand it. > > Please revert the PR. I have been working on FFI, Taskbar and CI bugs and I > want to be able to commit, integrate PRs and make Pharo better. Pharo is > mine. > >> >> Sorry but I did not like the ton of your email, especially because there are >> lot of information that you do not know. > > Iâm up to date with the github commits, issues and PRs, Discord and the > mailing lists. If you feel contributors need more information, please make > sure we get it There are information about private people and this is private! >> Now if you want to help, add the issue to the projects so that I can work >> on them with Alain >> and others. Else I will do it. > > Projects donât work yet. I just added your issues to them. > If you want time to focus on Rubric only and donât want other contributions > to Pharo 8 at the moment, then please announce so. Or use a branch. Donât > integrate a PR that breaks CI and then donât fix the issues for two weeks. Come on. Stop that kind of bullshit. We have been integrating fixes since the beginning with tests not passing. But you convince me I decided that I will stop reviewing issues and take responsibility to integrate fixes. Esteban and marcus will do it. I will focus on my projects because Iâm total disagreement. My point of view is that life is complex but you have the right to have rigid views and I have the right to drop and use my time for something else. Stef

March 26, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] PR2789, Rubric integration revert

by Stephan Eggermont

ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: > Hi stephan > >> Unless someone is working on fixing it today, I want this PR reverted. >> Issues 2865, 2963, 2964, 2980, 3013 >> >> Stephan > > Nobody is working on Pharo this is well known. I am feeling angry and ignored. I am trying to contribute and am frustrated in doing so. I am asked to go through fogbugz and make sure that important issues are reopened on github. I do so and get comments that bugs donât solve themselves, on the one where I notice that Rubric is not ready. I find and fix important other bugs and try to integrate them and notice that a lot of things donât work as they should. CI has been systematically red. The first thing I notice is that an in-image test is red, with a trivial to fix issue. Then I run into all kinds of other problems with Rubric not implementing something. And Iâm not the only one, looking at the issue tracker. So I look back trough github and see no signs of improvements in the past 14 days. I collected the relevant issues and reached out on github and discord first, without getting a useful reaction. This is not the development process we are using, as I understand it. Please revert the PR. I have been working on FFI, Taskbar and CI bugs and I want to be able to commit, integrate PRs and make Pharo better. Pharo is mine. > > Sorry but I did not like the ton of your email, especially because there are > lot of information that you do not know. Iâm up to date with the github commits, issues and PRs, Discord and the mailing lists. If you feel contributors need more information, please make sure we get it > Now if you want to help, add the issue to the projects so that I can work > on them with Alain > and others. Else I will do it. Projects donât work yet. If you want time to focus on Rubric only and donât want other contributions to Pharo 8 at the moment, then please announce so. Or use a branch. Donât integrate a PR that breaks CI and then donât fix the issues for two weeks. Stephan

March 26, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] PR2789, Rubric integration revert

by ducasse

Hi stephan > Unless someone is working on fixing it today, I want this PR reverted. > Issues 2865, 2963, 2964, 2980, 3013 > > Stephan Nobody is working on Pharo this is well known. Second my mom always told me that we should not say want but would like. Third, Pharo 80 is ALPHA. Fourth it will be released in November or December 2019. Sorry but I did not like the ton of your email, especially because there are lot of information that you do not know. Now if you want to help, add the issue to the projects so that I can work on them with Alain and others. Else I will do it. S.

March 26, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] Request-info bot on github

by ducasse

This is call botWars. So may be we will have to calm them down. > On 26 Mar 2019, at 17:14, Thomas Dupriez <tdupriez(a)ens-paris-saclay.fr> wrote: > > Ok. I wrote a new comment and another bot removed the label. :) > > Thomas > > On 26/03/2019 17:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >> I think you should not edit but put a new comment. The bot seems to only get to see new comments, not edit actions of existing comments. >> >>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 17:06, Thomas Dupriez <tdupriez(a)ens-paris-saclay.fr> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, just asking if this behaviour is normal: >>> >>> - I created an issue with an empty body. >>> - The request-info bot posted a message to it, saying it was empty and asking for more details. It also added the "more-information-needed" label. >>> - I updated the body of the issue >>> - Now the issue no longer has an empty body, but it still has the message from the bot and the label. >>> >>> The issue in question: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/3025 >>> >>> Thomas >>> >>> >> >

March 26, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] Request-info bot on github

by Thomas Dupriez

Ok. I wrote a new comment and another bot removed the label. :) Thomas On 26/03/2019 17:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > I think you should not edit but put a new comment. The bot seems to only get to see new comments, not edit actions of existing comments. > >> On 26 Mar 2019, at 17:06, Thomas Dupriez <tdupriez(a)ens-paris-saclay.fr> wrote: >> >> Hello, just asking if this behaviour is normal: >> >> - I created an issue with an empty body. >> - The request-info bot posted a message to it, saying it was empty and asking for more details. It also added the "more-information-needed" label. >> - I updated the body of the issue >> - Now the issue no longer has an empty body, but it still has the message from the bot and the label. >> >> The issue in question: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/3025 >> >> Thomas >> >> >

March 26, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] Request-info bot on github

by Marcus Denker

I think you should not edit but put a new comment. The bot seems to only get to see new comments, not edit actions of existing comments. > On 26 Mar 2019, at 17:06, Thomas Dupriez <tdupriez(a)ens-paris-saclay.fr> wrote: > > Hello, just asking if this behaviour is normal: > > - I created an issue with an empty body. > - The request-info bot posted a message to it, saying it was empty and asking for more details. It also added the "more-information-needed" label. > - I updated the body of the issue > - Now the issue no longer has an empty body, but it still has the message from the bot and the label. > > The issue in question: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/3025 > > Thomas > >

March 26, 2019