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Get not accepted text from TextModel

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi, TextModel has getText, but it only gives you text that was accepted. Can I get somehow text that is just there? Uko

Aug. 18, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Quitting the community

by stepharo

Ben, I'm sad about your decision and I think that it is a bit biaised against me. Your statements are your point of view and I will not argue with you. Now for the others I got a disagreement on the rename of ValueHolder into ReactiveVariable (see my reasons below) as referred here - https://github.com/spec-framework/spec/issues/16 - https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13824 I let you judge. For me the picture at the end of https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13824 tells a lot on your state of mind and I do not think that this is a good state of mind to work in an open-source community. I think that we can have disagreements with other people and we can discuss but it seems that it became difficult to discuss with you recently and this is sad. (Members of the rmod team still did not get why you left the team without saying bye to them). Here are my reasons: - I do not want that people can say that innovation in Pharo is just by renaming existing concepts. The concept of ValueHolder is the basis of VisualWorks. Spec is influenced by the application model of VisualWorks and valueHolder. So using this name is recognizing its influence. When people using VW will come to Pharo they should not think that too and they should not get lost. - Stephan Eggermont mentioned in addition that - Reactive variable is a concept from reactive programming. For the record - Value Holder is a pattern described by Bobby Woolf in 1994 in http://c2.com/ppr/vmodels.html and referred to in much of the pattern literature. - The books of X. Briffault, Bernard Horan, Tim Howard, Ivan Tomek, plus all the tutorial and docs of VisualWorks are using ValueHolder. Probably more but I did not have the time to check. - I programmed since some of you in VW since 1998 and telling that the books we used are obsolete does not help because there are still accurate. - Now if Spec would be an external library that can be loaded in Pharo, I would not care and you could use any name want. But Spec is part of Pharo and Spec is based on my ideas too. So I would a bit of care to be taken. I imagine that you can understand my point. I really wish I would not have to write such mail. I'm immensely sad. Related links: - https://github.com/spec-framework/spec/issues/16 - https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13824 On 18/8/14 08:38, Benjamin wrote: > Hello guys, > > I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community, > as well as the Smalltalk community. > > I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public > level or a private level. > > It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a discussion > without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting. > > I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to unleash > his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts. > > I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community > where we can all have fun building a future. > > Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way Stephane > is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of you. > > It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led > by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles. > > I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch > if you want to have a beer someday ;) > > Ben >

Aug. 18, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Quitting the community

by phil＠highoctane.be

I'd say that we now have: Camillo - pissed off to death Ben - same Nico - gone There is something amiss there. These people are significant contributors and made the system move forward in new and much needed directions (Zeroconf/CommandLine, Spec, Amber). Pissing them off is really a bad approach, no matter why/how/... Get the house in order please and stop the ego trips. Yelling at people/each other just doesn't work and doesn't help. Try that at your cat. Oh, yeah, it helps in pushing great people to other communities... As we needed that. And now, I am feeling sad. Phil On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Thanks for letting us know. > > I am sorry you feel this way, but I believe your presentation of the > situation is both unfair and unfortunate. You are obviously referring to > issues that are of personal nature, and as outsiders we are left with only > an ugly feeling without being able to either understand or fix anything. > > I was actually having fun until your email, and as far as I can tell, > others were having fun as well. I am not sure what the intention of your > email was, but at least for me, your mail did manage to spoil the fun for a > second. > > I appreciate the work you put in Pharo, I respect your decision, but I do > not sympathize with your behavior. > > Good luck, > Doru > > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Benjamin < > benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello guys, >> >> I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community, >> as well as the Smalltalk community. >> >> I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public >> level or a private level. >> >> It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a >> discussion >> without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting. >> >> I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to >> unleash >> his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts. >> >> I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community >> where we can all have fun building a future. >> >> Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way >> Stephane >> is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of >> you. >> >> It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led >> by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles. >> >> I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch >> if you want to have a beer someday ;) >> >> Ben >> > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Aug. 18, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Quitting the community

by Tudor Girba

Hi Ben, Thanks for letting us know. I am sorry you feel this way, but I believe your presentation of the situation is both unfair and unfortunate. You are obviously referring to issues that are of personal nature, and as outsiders we are left with only an ugly feeling without being able to either understand or fix anything. I was actually having fun until your email, and as far as I can tell, others were having fun as well. I am not sure what the intention of your email was, but at least for me, your mail did manage to spoil the fun for a second. I appreciate the work you put in Pharo, I respect your decision, but I do not sympathize with your behavior. Good luck, Doru On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello guys, > > I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community, > as well as the Smalltalk community. > > I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public > level or a private level. > > It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a > discussion > without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting. > > I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to > unleash > his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts. > > I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community > where we can all have fun building a future. > > Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way > Stephane > is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of > you. > > It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led > by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles. > > I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch > if you want to have a beer someday ;) > > Ben > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 18, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Quitting the community

by kilon alios

really pity I was just checking out your Triton project and I was about to email you that I have problem downloading your zip file. I really hope you change your mind because Pharo needs all the experienced coders it can get. I was completely unaware of such big problem, people complain from time to time, I love to complain to about Pharo things , especially documentation but I dont think I have seen a big argument or anyone saying bad things about another person. I agree that such behaviour is unacceptable if it has occurred . Emotions cause more problems than provide solutions, things should be discussed in a reasonable basis respecting the personal effort of each pharo contributor. On the other hand polite criticism is not only useful but very much needed for a community to grow in a healthy way. Again I am not aware of your particulars of your situations and your relationship with Stephan . I only hope you guys discuss this and find a common ground. If not I hope the best for you and maybe continue contributing to pharo at your own terms with independent libraries etc. Of course its your right to completely abandon the community , if so good luck with whatever you do . I can definitely not complain or criticise you , I abandoned common lisp because even though most of the community treated me well , there were some regulars that were quick to accuse people as stupid or lazy. My love for python was also heavily and irrationally criticised. My experience with the pharo community , so far, has been great and I am glad I invested and keep investing on it. I have to confess that I find Stephan a bit too emotional at times but I know he is just passionate about Pharo and he has good intentions. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello guys, > > I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community, > as well as the Smalltalk community. > > I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public > level or a private level. > > It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a > discussion > without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting. > > I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to > unleash > his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts. > > I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community > where we can all have fun building a future. > > Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way > Stephane > is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of > you. > > It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led > by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles. > > I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch > if you want to have a beer someday ;) > > Ben >

Aug. 18, 2014

Quitting the community

by Benjamin

Hello guys, I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community, as well as the Smalltalk community. I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public level or a private level. It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a discussion without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting. I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to unleash his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts. I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community where we can all have fun building a future. Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way Stephane is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of you. It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles. I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch if you want to have a beer someday ;) Ben

Aug. 18, 2014

WhatsUp from: 2014-08-18 until: 2014-08-31

by seaside＠rmod.lille.inria.fr

Hi! We're sending this automatic email twice a month, to give the community an opportunity to easily know what's happening and to coordinate efforts. Just answer informally, and feel free to spawn discussions thereafter! ### Here's what I've been up to since the last WhatsUp: - $HEROIC_ACHIEVEMENTS_OR_DISMAL_FAILURES_OR_SIMPLE_BORING_NECESSARY_TASKS ### What's next, until 2014-08-31 (*): - $NEXT_STEPS_TOWARDS_WORLD_DOMINATION (*) we'll be expecting results by then ;)

Aug. 18, 2014

Deep SIXX

by Sebastian Sastre

Hey guys, Thanks to Ken Treis we might have a (big) stream of SIXX coming into or going out of Pharo. Iâm sharing progress of the port here before I can do the contribution PR to Masashi: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sebastianconcept/SIXX To load the code take a fresh Pharo and do: Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSIXX'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSIXX) project latestVersion load. and then load the package from here (which is a merge from Masashiâs and Kenâs fork plus what Iâve patched): http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sebastianconcept/SIXX Iâm very close to make this to start being useful. Iâm currently stuck in getting this test to pass: testFloat self should:[ 42.42 = (Object readSixxFrom: 42.42 sixxString) ] Any ideas on making #initializeIndexFieldsFromSixxElement: sixxElement context: aDictionary work with the PullParser? sebastian o/ blog: http://sebastianconcept.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastiansastre github: https://github.com/sebastianconcept

Aug. 17, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Why Bloc?

by Sean P. DeNigris

Alain Plantec-3 wrote > one can consider Bloc as a fork of the Morph class Ah, good to know. Thanks, Alain :) I thought about it more and my concern is less about the approach, and more that we have what I consider to be the most important items on our IU Experience agenda - Tx and Bloc - totally reliant on two (brilliant, talented...) programmers while the rest of the community hopes and waits. In no way to I lack appreciation for your and Igor's efforts, but this does not seem like a robust or efficient use of our manpower... So, I guess what I'm really asking for both projects is - how can we help? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Why-Bloc-tp4771757p4773711.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 17, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 6d1991: 40174

by Marcus Denker

40174 ----- 13859 replace two uses of OCKeyedSet with Dictionary https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13859 13856 Trivial cleanup in DebuggerModel https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13856 13857 temporary fix old Browser to allow access to class organization protocol https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13857 13819 Remove Check for Slips Preference https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13819 On 17 Aug 2014, at 15:12, GitHub <noreply(a)github.com> wrote: > Branch: refs/heads/4.0 > Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core > Commit: 6d199134a92a795e78f0034c25a9e7415302897e > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/6d199134a92a795e78f0034c… > Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> > Date: 2014-08-17 (Sun, 17 Aug 2014) > > Changed paths: > M AST-Core.package/RBProgramNode.class/class/settings/settingsOn_.st > M DebuggerModel.package/DebugSession.class/class/actions registration/debuggingActionsForPragma_for_.st > M DebuggerModel.package/DebugSession.class/instance/debugging actions/resume.st > M Nautilus.package/Nautilus.class/class/settings/nautilusSettingsOn_.st > M OpalCompiler-Core.package/OCAbstractMethodScope.class/instance/initialization/initialize.st > M OpalCompiler-Core.package/OCAbstractMethodScope.class/instance/temp vars/addVectorTemp_.st > M OpalCompiler-Core.package/OCBlockScope.class/instance/testing/hasEscapingVars.st > M OpalCompiler-Core.package/OCInstanceScope.class/instance/initialization/initialize.st > M OpalCompiler-Core.package/OCInstanceScope.class/instance/initializing/slots_.st > A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script173.st > A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update40173.st > M ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st > M Settings-Tools.package/CodeHolderSystemSettings.class/class/settings/codeEditingSettingsOn_.st > M Tool-Browser-Old.package/Browser.class/instance/initialization/setSelector_.st > M Tool-Browser-Old.package/Browser.class/instance/message functions/defineMessageFrom_notifying_.st > R Tool-Changes.package/ChangeList.class/class/settings/ChangeListSettingsOn_.st > > Log Message: > ----------- > 40174 > > http://files.pharo.org/image/40/40174.zip > >

Aug. 17, 2014