@ Phil Yes, I am sad as well, this is not how it should be. I really liked each of them a lot. Now, whenever people collaborate there will be conflicts, this is inevitable. A conflict is often complex, has always two sides to it, and a long history (it is not just about one thing right now, most of the history is unknown to us, lots of personal things come into play as well). How conflicts are dealt with (or left festering) is what counts. Pharo is not about one person, it is an open source community. It is not good to generalise and hold the community hostage, or hurt it deliberately - this goes against the very thing you contributed selflessly to in the first place. We have a rudimentary mechanism to deal with conflicts, it is called the board: <from the website> The board Pharo has a board composed of Marcus Denker, Stephane Ducasse, Sven Van Caekenberghe, Tudor Gîrba and Esteban Lorenzano. The role of the board is to make decisions if in the future the community can't decide on a course of action. </from the website> Even if the conflict involves a board member, the board should play its role. If necessary, individual board members can be contacted. This has not happened. @ Ben I am sad and sorry about you leaving. You will be missed and I thank you for all you did. I hope that maybe one day we will hear from you again. I remember that young student coming in with all this energy, writing a new code browser, Nautilus, from scratch, and doing Spec along the way - it was a herculean task. You did great work and we all benefit from it. @ Camillo Iden ditto: you leaving makes me really sad and I will miss you - thank you for everything you did. I hope we'll meet again. I have fond memories about meeting you during sprints starting in the old INRIA building. Your enthusiasm was really contagious, there was no task you would not want to tackle. You rewrote the book for Pharo for command line handling, issue tracking, issue validation, git integration, the eye inspector, source/change file compaction and so much more. You have a great sense of good design, we're all better for it. Peace, Sven On 18 Aug 2014, at 11:55, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
I'd say that we now have:
Camillo - pissed off to death Ben - same Nico - gone
There is something amiss there.
These people are significant contributors and made the system move forward in new and much needed directions (Zeroconf/CommandLine, Spec, Amber).
Pissing them off is really a bad approach, no matter why/how/... Get the house in order please and stop the ego trips. Yelling at people/each other just doesn't work and doesn't help. Try that at your cat.
Oh, yeah, it helps in pushing great people to other communities... As we needed that.
And now, I am feeling sad.
Phil
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote: Hi Ben,
Thanks for letting us know.
I am sorry you feel this way, but I believe your presentation of the situation is both unfair and unfortunate. You are obviously referring to issues that are of personal nature, and as outsiders we are left with only an ugly feeling without being able to either understand or fix anything.
I was actually having fun until your email, and as far as I can tell, others were having fun as well. I am not sure what the intention of your email was, but at least for me, your mail did manage to spoil the fun for a second.
I appreciate the work you put in Pharo, I respect your decision, but I do not sympathize with your behavior.
Good luck, Doru
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote: Hello guys,
I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community, as well as the Smalltalk community.
I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public level or a private level.
It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a discussion without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting.
I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to unleash his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts.
I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community where we can all have fun building a future.
Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way Stephane is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of you.
It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles.
I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch if you want to have a beer someday ;)
Ben
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