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Re: [Pharo-dev] Understanding Spotter?

by H. Hirzel

On 1/9/16, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Thanks > Now is there any chance that we can get a help? > There are places (like the home of luc where the network is so slow that > you cannot even think to > watch something on Youtube :) - not talking about Africa. ....calls for a static web site made with Pillar with embedded videos made to download in off-hours as a zip file and to put in an intranet or distribute through USB... (or even to send by snail mail on an MicroSD card) BTW a one page cheat sheet how to use Spotter would be a good thing to have. --Hannes > Stef > > > > Le 9/1/16 22:42, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : >> You can find documentation with examples about GTSpotter on the >> humane-assessment.com blog: >> https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=site:humane-assessment… >> >> Specifically about finding Pragma usages, I just added a blog post: >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/spotting-pragmas-with-gtspotter >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 11:00 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Is there a help a student or idiot like me can read about how to find >>> information with Spotter? >>> For example >>> We with luc wanted to find all the senders of variableSubclass: we >>> tried # #senders and more... but gave up. >>> Yesterday I wanted to find all the user of <menu> >>> >>> May be I missed an obvious help that will enlighten me? >>> I hope. >>> >>> Now without such help how can we expect students or users to discover the >>> way we should >>> use the tools? >>> >>> We were planning to do a video to explain Spotter but I'm slowly thinking >>> to discard this video >>> because we do not know. >>> >>> Stef >>> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Value is always contextual." >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

Jan. 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo Consortium New Gold Member: Synectique

by Dimitris Chloupis

Duper ! On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:16 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Great! > > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > On 11 Jan 2016, at 12:42, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > > Super ! > > > >> On 11 Jan 2016, at 11:36, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> > >> The Pharo Consortium is very happy to announce that Synectique > >> has joined the Consortium as an Gold Member. > >> > >> About > >> - Synectique: http://www.synectique.eu/ > >> - Pharo Consortium: http://consortium.pharo.org > >> > >> The goal of the Pharo Consortium is to allow companies and institutions > to > >> support the ongoing development and future of Pharo. > >> > >> Individuals can support Pharo via the Pharo Association: > >> > >> http://association.pharo.org > > > > > >

Jan. 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo Consortium New Gold Member: Synectique

by Tudor Girba

Great! Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow" > On 11 Jan 2016, at 12:42, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > Super ! > >> On 11 Jan 2016, at 11:36, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> The Pharo Consortium is very happy to announce that Synectique >> has joined the Consortium as an Gold Member. >> >> About >> - Synectique: http://www.synectique.eu/ >> - Pharo Consortium: http://consortium.pharo.org >> >> The goal of the Pharo Consortium is to allow companies and institutions to >> support the ongoing development and future of Pharo. >> >> Individuals can support Pharo via the Pharo Association: >> >> http://association.pharo.org > >

Jan. 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] How to get launcher launching Spur images?

by Ben Coman

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:49 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hi > > I changed the setting to be the following but I cannot get a spur image > started on mac. > Does anybody succeed? > > Stef > > I cheated and started with latest Pharo 5 Spur and installed PharoLauncher from the Catalog Browser. (I should soon try an image with old vm) cheers -ben

Jan. 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] gtdebugger - icons with text and a couple of others

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Andrei and I took your feedback into account, and now we have this in the > last version: > - actions have text (this is a feature introduced in Glamour now) > Excellent! No mouse mouse hovering and hand-written guides. :) One more question though: a common way to visualize shortcut of an action is to underline one of the letters matching the shortcut. Is it possible to do it also here? Great work! Peter

Jan. 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] 17348 Enhance shortcut learnability

by Henrik Nergaard

Somehow it integrated ______________ Name: SLICE-Issue-17348-Enhance-shortcut-learnability-tr.2 Author: tr Time: 8 January 2016, 4:18:55.135106 pm UUID: 0aa30f76-84f3-0449-acde-172e56ea3615 Ancestors: SLICE-Issue-17348-Enhance-shortcut-learnability-tr.1 Dependencies: Morphic-Base-tr.526 better version instead of: ____________ Name: SLICE-Issue-17348-Enhance-shortcut-learnability-HenrikNergaard.2 Author: HenrikNergaard Time: 8 January 2016, 11:01:18.490743 pm UUID: 2a6f1c3f-a0b3-524d-9095-02fb42ab8358 Ancestors: SLICE-Issue-17348-Enhance-shortcut-learnability-tr.1 Dependencies: Morphic-Base-HenrikNergaard.526 Refactor of initial code. I have updated and merged a new slice (in Image 50521) which should fix it. The correct version that should be integrated is: Name: SLICE-Issue-17348-Enhance-shortcut-learnability-HenrikNergaard.5 Author: HenrikNergaard Time: 11 January 2016, 12:17:08.504781 am UUID: f0271c17-07a7-0d4e-a6eb-d2fef9b2853c Ancestors: SLICE-Issue-17348-Enhance-shortcut-learnability-HenrikNergaard.4 Dependencies: Morphic-Base-HenrikNergaard.530 remove unused variable. Best regards, Henrik From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Denker Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:35 AM To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] 17348 Enhance shortcut learnability Hello, I wil reopen the issue and put your comment there. Marcus On 11 Jan 2016, at 09:56, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com<mailto:nicolaihess@gmail.com>> wrote: Can please someone translate / change the text in the Shortcut reminder Morph settings.( that got integrated in 50521) see my comment on https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17348/Enhance-shortcut-learnability#BugEv… and I asked for resubmitting the changes with proper author initials instead of "tr" and if he signed the license agreement. Anyone knows more about "tr" ? And I am not sure if the right version is integrated. nicolai

Jan. 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo Consortium New Gold Member: Synectique

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Super ! > On 11 Jan 2016, at 11:36, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > The Pharo Consortium is very happy to announce that Synectique > has joined the Consortium as an Gold Member. > > About > - Synectique: http://www.synectique.eu/ > - Pharo Consortium: http://consortium.pharo.org > > The goal of the Pharo Consortium is to allow companies and institutions to > support the ongoing development and future of Pharo. > > Individuals can support Pharo via the Pharo Association: > > http://association.pharo.org

Jan. 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Understanding Spotter?

by Ben Coman

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:23 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Ok my last attempt :( > > When I look for something there are two cases > > - most of the time I ********************KKKKNNNOOOOOOOWWWWWWW********* > is it clear? I know I know I know what I look for and I WANT THE > FASTER WAY TO GET IT > => no three clicks and strange navigation. > > I want the sender of this message (not the implementors the sender) > I want that package > I want the references to this class (not the class and the refs that > class) > and I'm ready to learn > #N for reference > #n for senders > #m for implementors > Because they are the same. > After first typing the search string, could we be able to hit Alt-m to filter for implementers. Then my muscle memory [1] is directly applicable (and I'll be working like a ninja ;). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory cheers -ben #e for example like in the finder > > > - looking around and the system can propose me something > and I can navigate and think. > > But this is ok I just use Spotter to open the class browser and all the > rest I do it with shortcuts. > I tried to help but I failed. > > I will present Spotter as the great tool to open browser because I cannot > use it otherwise and > nobody around me can show me on the spot something more efficient than a > shortcut in a workspace. > Or may be I will simply not spend energy doing a videos on Spotter because > to me this is not ready > and far less usable than it is supposed to be. > > Now to me Spotter is taking a lot of classes for the gain I get. What > esteban did or what is in Squeak > is working perfectly for me because Spotter does not let me express my > needs. > So may be you have other needs but I would like to know how people really > works and not > how Spotter should be usefull. > > The video of dimitry shows that well: Just browse a class and sometimes > you get an implementor > May be you do not like my mail because they look aggressive but when is > the last time > you did a real study with users that were not already convinced. Or may be > with users > that loves just one tiny feature and not the one you think that they use? > > And BTW it hangs my images two times with 4.0 when I was in africa and > this was annoying. > Stef > > > I do not get why you cannot > - have a set of fixed most used queries and this will create a small > vocabulary that can be extensible > and it can be mapped to what we do with shortcuts = reduce cognitive > load > and then a full search when you do not know what you are searching. > > This is not exclusive and it works for the two scenario. > > > I understand the intention, but I do not understand how these fixed > queries are any different than we have now. When you are on the top of > Spotter, when you query, you get always the same processors being executed. > At first you will not know their names, and you will scroll. And if you see > them, you might remember them and reproduce afterwards. Itâs a discoverable > learning process that you do not have to remember. > > > Because with these wonderfull queries I do not get what I'm looking for. > Because the system is trying to guess what I have in my mind and this > system is not good for that because I'm thinking about > the metallica song I'm listening. > > > The only part that is not discoverable is that # introduces a category > search. Thinking loud, I just thought that we can make the label start with > # like this (I committed this change): > > > Sorry but I do not get it. > > > > We also thought of having completion as soon as someone type #. So, you > have a kind of a dropdown for the available categories, but we did not get > to implement that one. This should solve the discoverability problem even > more. What do you think about that? > > Why not > but just a ghost with > #n printOn: #m #N .... > would be a huge improvement > > Each time I used Spotter to look for something more than a class I could > not find it. > > > > Regarding the shortcuts, we could associated such shortcuts with a > processor, but I would first want to see if we cannot manage to produce a > solution with the current set of options. > > > I was not saying shortcuts and I was thinking the same vocabulary > > Cmd+N > #N > Cmd+m > #m > Cmd+n > #n > > > > I was discussing with Luc and he made a fun but sad remark > "Since people do not understand well spotter they most of the time only > use it to open a class. > And this is something that he already had before." > I briefly looked at the Youtube video of Chloupis and > > So you can have a generic super cool tool, if people do not use it it > defeats its purpose. > > > Certainly. > > > You can be really happy because you go fast with it but you only. > > > That is not really true :). > > > See my remark above. > > > So making sure that the most used actions are really supported is > important. > > > Of course it is. For Senders we did not find a good solution yet that is > reasonably fast and useful. Stefan and I are still literally working on > this. I think we should be able to have a solution, but we have to see if > it is reasonable enough. We will announce it once we have it working. > > > the problem is that you want to solve everything at once. While the divide > and conquer is the solution for the first > scenario I mention. I do not need something that crawls the entire system > when I have one precise query. > > > > But, really, this tool more than anything allows one to play with > possibilities in a couple of lines of code. We want people to play (some > did) and to get concrete feedback and possible solutions. I think we should > not just say that we need something else before we actually play with it a > bit more. > > I do not get it. > I never worked with me. And so far I did not see anybody succeeding to > show me how to find something that I cannot > find faster with a shortcut. > > > > But more important the discoverability is important because there is not > even a help. > > Right now as a user I can only guess and often I close spotter and use my > shortcuts. > > As a user I see something that ask me about network (and I do not care) > but nothing > that brings me to the next level. > > > This is something we need to work on, but you know, time is limited for > us, too. > > > Add a button and an help text copied from your blog! > And you will have made a 100% documentation jump. > > > > Most of the time the user forgets the key combination (may be this will be > solved with > the cool shortcut reminder we developed and is under review) > > > All actions in spotter have a visible icon. All. And if you hover over it > you get the command. And there are literally 5 such actions. What is > missing in this regard from your point of view? > > > I do not know > They do not cover what I want to do. > I do not care of setting > Most of the time I do not care about seeing all. I saw now that you > have an arrow to show more than the top 5 > good but again Cmd-shift > is not easy to type and give pain. > I do not understand why I should dive in most of the time. > > I realised that I could use Spotter when I saw that I can press shift > under the return because > before I got immediate pain when trying with the left shift. > To me left shift is a NO WAY. > esc (top left) would work but I did not have the time to hack Spotter. > > > Doru > > > Stef > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with." > > >

Jan. 11, 2016

[ANN] Pharo Consortium New Gold Member: Synectique

by Marcus Denker

The Pharo Consortium is very happy to announce that Synectique has joined the Consortium as an Gold Member. About - Synectique: http://www.synectique.eu/ <http://www.synectique.eu/> - Pharo Consortium: http://consortium.pharo.org <http://consortium.pharo.org/> The goal of the Pharo Consortium is to allow companies and institutions to support the ongoing development and future of Pharo. Individuals can support Pharo via the Pharo Association: http://association.pharo.org <http://association.pharo.org/>

Jan. 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] 17348 Enhance shortcut learnability

by Marcus Denker

Hello, I wil reopen the issue and put your comment there. Marcus > On 11 Jan 2016, at 09:56, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Can please someone translate / change the text in the > Shortcut reminder Morph settings.( that got integrated in 50521) > > see my comment on > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17348/Enhance-shortcut-learnability#BugEv… <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17348/Enhance-shortcut-learnability#BugEv…> > > and I asked for resubmitting the changes with proper author initials > instead of "tr" and if he signed the license agreement. > Anyone knows more about "tr" ? > > And I am not sure if the right version is integrated. > > nicolai

Jan. 11, 2016