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[Pharo 9.0] Build #34: Fix rotten DebuggerTest

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There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #34 was: SUCCESS. The Pull Request #5585 was integrated: "Fix rotten DebuggerTest" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/5585 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/debuggerStepFixes Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 31, 2020

[Pharo 8.0] Build #1127: 5392-Proposed-improvement--performance-of-atRandom-in-class-Bag

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There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #1127 was: FAILURE. The Pull Request #5445 was integrated: "5392-Proposed-improvement--performance-of-atRandom-in-class-Bag" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/5445 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/5392 Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 31, 2020

[Pharo 9.0] Build #33: [improvement] fix 5603 overlayCompilerbug

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There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #33 was: SUCCESS. The Pull Request #5604 was integrated: "[improvement] fix 5603 overlayCompilerbug" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/5604 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/fixOverlayCopiler Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 31, 2020

[Pharo 8.0] Build #1126: 5443-Reading-out-of-range-Float-exponents-is-inconsistent

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There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #1126 was: SUCCESS. The Pull Request #5444 was integrated: "5443-Reading-out-of-range-Float-exponents-is-inconsistent" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/5444 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/5443 Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 31, 2020

[Pharo 9.0] Build #32: feature/add-libraryfinder

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There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #32 was: SUCCESS. The Pull Request #5582 was integrated: "feature/add-libraryfinder" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/5582 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/feature/add Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 31, 2020

[Pharo 8.0] Build #1125: CompletionEngine-and-Monticello-backport

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There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #1125 was: FAILURE. The Pull Request #5593 was integrated: "CompletionEngine-and-Monticello-backport" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/5593 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/CompletionEngine Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 31, 2020

[Pharo 9.0] Build #31: 5601-Enhance-support-of-pipewildcard-notation-for-searching-in-DrTests-lists

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There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #31 was: SUCCESS. The Pull Request #5602 was integrated: "5601-Enhance-support-of-pipewildcard-notation-for-searching-in-DrTests-lists" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/5602 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/5601 Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 31, 2020

[Pharo 9.0] Build #30: [improvement] now returns a selfNode directly rather than wait for thâ¦

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There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #30 was: SUCCESS. The Pull Request #5460 was integrated: "[improvement] now returns a selfNode directly rather than wait for thâ¦" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/5460 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/fixMethodAST Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 31, 2020

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo4pharo mailing-list announce

by ducasse

Hi benoit Iâm abrupt and I know it and I did it conciously. Of course we can let it go and add more filters to trash emails or refuse :) I suggested to the board to create a list Pharo-chat where people can chat if they need and i will not be in the mailing-list. And that we focus pharo-users around pharo. I care that we can discuss about pharo and help people around. People may ask themselves why few people from the core team reply to emails in the users mailing-list? To me this important to have a medium where excellent and busy people can take from their time to help and welcome community and newcomers and exchange on added value for pharo users. S. > On 30 Jan 2020, at 19:56, Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Nobody said we were against such a mailing list! But, just as you, there are topics I skip on the mailing list. No harm done, quick & easy to do! > > But one should never refrain from talking about other Smalltalk environments on a Smalltalk/Pharo list : if VisualAge, or VisualWorks, or Dolphin, or Squeak, or ObjectStudio, or VSE or any other Smalltalk can inspire us to make Pharo better, I don't think that saying "Dolphin really has a great look & feel for Windows app" is equivalent to saying "VisualWorks sucks" or "Pharo is crap" ! I could talk for hours at what those Smalltalk products rock. I could also talk for hours at what those Smalltalk products suck. I could talk for hours about why product X is better that product Y for job Z. That doesn't mean one product is crap and the other one is perfect! Every Smalltalk product has strengths and weaknesses. Why shouldn't we be inspired by great features of other products that Pharo doesn't yet have? Criticism of Pharo (or praise of other products) doesn't mean we hate or despise Pharo! It just means that we care. And that we can make it better! > > Also, inevitably you'll have non-Pharo & non-Smalltalk related topics sometimes popping up on the mailing list. Am I interested by digital image formats? Nope. So if I see a thread about someone who wants to develop a library to read the FITS format (Flexible Image Transport System, used in astronomy mainly), chances are we'll see posts about astronomy & FITS for 2-3 days. I don't mind since, in the end, it still is Smalltalk-related! > > On the topic of "Why is [insert your favorite non-Smalltalk programming language here] better than Smalltalk/Pharo?", I gave up that kind of discussion years ago... And on the rare occasions when I have it, I have it in private. You'll always find a moron who thinks GW-BASIC + DOS 4.1 + dBase is the way to go. I don't waste time with those people anymore! lol > > On 2020-01-30 07:40, ducasse wrote: >> You see this is several times that I gently ask if we can move on. >> And regularly we get the same. >> >> So I can also live pharo-dev. >> At the end of the day we cannot have the cake and eat it too. >> >> So you can consider that Iâm an asshole. Iâm probably that. >> Now Iâm super super fedup to have to jump over some thread. >> I quit newsgroups in the past because of that. I quit Pharo-users because of that. >> >> When I want to read about X Z Y and this is not related to Pharo then I google the Web. >> >> S. >> >> >>> On 30 Jan 2020, at 12:05, Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com <mailto:bstjean@yahoo.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com <mailto:bstjean@yahoo.com>> >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo4pharo mailing-list announce >>> Date: 30 January 2020 at 12:05:38 CET >>> To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >>> >>> >>> Wow! >>> >>> That post on Pharo Weekly ( https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2020/01/30/ann-pharo-4-pharo-mailing-list/ <https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2020/01/30/ann-pharo-4-pharo-mailing-list/> ) really sets a great welcoming ambiance for any newcomer interested by Pharo who'll read that or who'll stumble on it by accident while googling "Pharo+mailing+list" ! >>> >>> #Not #Fail #WorstAdvertisingEver >>> >>> Please, take 30 seconds to remove that crap before too many people read it... >>> >>> P.S. it's one thing to express yourself like that on a mailing list, it's another one to put it upfront on a blog... >>> >>> On 2020-01-30 02:33, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> Tired of boring and dull discussions about the past? >>>> Tired and bored about the fact that the discussions are not about Pharo but about X, Z, K? >>>> Want to get in touch with other real pharo users? >>>> Want to have positive and nice discussions about Pharo? >>>> >>>> This mailing-list is for you >>>> >>>> https://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo/lse-pharo4pharo <https://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo/lse-pharo4pharo> >>>> >>>> I created a new mailing-list for Pharo 4 Pharo. >>>> The idea of this new mailing-list is to exchange between Pharo users on Pharo. >>>> >>>> If you want to talk about the weather and other cool fishing practices or how other languages are super cool, >>>> then you should use another mailing-list. >>>> >>>> You can consider that Iâm >>>> [ ] an asshole >>>> [ ] an arrogant idiot >>>> [ ] other >>>> This is not my concern. >>>> >>>> My concern is: can we respect Pharo and users of Pharo that want to share what they are doing >>>> and ask questions about their language? >>>> >>>> If you join this mailing-list be warned that I (yes me the benevolent dictator of Pharo) will remove you from the mailing-list >>>> when you get on my nerves. >>>> >>>> If you do not like it, do not like me, do not appreciate it, do not join! >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>> BTW they are plenty of newsgroups about Smalltalk and you can join there. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>>> Assistant: Julie Jonas >>>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>>> 40, avenue Halley, >>>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza >>>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>>> France >>>> >>> -- >>> ----------------- >>> BenoÃ®t St-Jean >>> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >>> Twitter: @BenLeChialeux >>> Pinterest: benoitstjean >>> Instagram: Chef_Benito >>> IRC: lamneth >>> GitHub: bstjean >>> Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com <http://endormitoire.wordpress.com/> >>> "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) >>> >>> >> > -- > ----------------- > BenoÃ®t St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Twitter: @BenLeChialeux > Pinterest: benoitstjean > Instagram: Chef_Benito > IRC: lamneth > GitHub: bstjean > Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com > "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein)

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo4pharo mailing-list announce

by Benoit St-Jean

Nobody said we were against such a mailing list! But, just as you, there are topics I skip on the mailing list. No harm done, quick & easy to do! But one should never refrain from talking about other Smalltalk environments on a Smalltalk/Pharo list : if VisualAge, or VisualWorks, or Dolphin, or Squeak, or ObjectStudio, or VSE or any other Smalltalk can inspire us to make Pharo better, I don't think that saying "Dolphin really has a great look & feel for Windows app" is equivalent to saying "VisualWorks sucks" or "Pharo is crap" ! I could talk for hours at what those Smalltalk products rock.Â I could also talk for hours at what those Smalltalk products suck. I could talk for hours about why product X is better that product Y for job Z.Â That doesn't mean one product is crap and the other one is perfect! Every Smalltalk product has strengths and weaknesses.Â Why shouldn't we be inspired by great features of other products that Pharo doesn't yet have?Â Criticism of Pharo (or praise of other products) doesn't mean we hate or despise Pharo!Â It just means that we care. And that we can make it better! Also, inevitably you'll have non-Pharo & non-Smalltalk related topics sometimes popping up on the mailing list. Am I interested by digital image formats? Nope.Â So if I see a thread about someone who wants to develop a library to read the FITS format (Flexible Image Transport System, used in astronomy mainly), chances are we'll see posts about astronomy & FITS for 2-3 days. I don't mind since, in the end, it still is Smalltalk-related! On the topic of "Why is [insert your favorite non-Smalltalk programming language here] better than Smalltalk/Pharo?", I gave up that kind of discussion years ago... And on the rare occasions when I have it, I have it in private.Â You'll always find a moron who thinks GW-BASIC + DOS 4.1 + dBase is the way to go.Â I don't waste time with those people anymore! lol On 2020-01-30 07:40, ducasse wrote: > You see this is several times that I gently ask if we can move on. > And regularly we get the same. > > So I can also live pharo-dev. > At the end of the day we cannot have the cake and eat it too. > > So you can consider that Iâm an asshole. Iâm probably that. > Now Iâm super super fedup to have to jump over some thread. > I quit newsgroups in the past because of that. I quit Pharo-users > because of that. > > When I want to read about X Z Y and this is not related to Pharo then > I google the Web. > > S. > > >> On 30 Jan 2020, at 12:05, Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com >> <mailto:bstjean@yahoo.com>> wrote: >> >> >> *From: *Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com <mailto:bstjean@yahoo.com>> >> *Subject: **Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo4pharo mailing-list announce* >> *Date: *30 January 2020 at 12:05:38 CET >> *To: %2Apharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >> >> >> Wow! >> >> That post on Pharo Weekly ( >> https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2020/01/30/ann-pharo-4-pharo-mailing-list/ >> ) really sets a great welcoming ambiance for any newcomer interested >> by Pharo who'll read that or who'll stumble on it by accident while >> googling "Pharo+mailing+list" ! >> >> #Not #Fail #WorstAdvertisingEver >> >> Please, take 30 seconds to remove that crap before too many people >> read it... >> >> P.S. it's one thing to express yourself like that on a mailing list, >> it's another one to put it upfront on a blog... >> >> On 2020-01-30 02:33, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Tired of boring and dull discussions about the past? >>> Tired and bored about the fact that the discussions are not about >>> Pharo but about X, Z, K? >>> Want to get in touch with other real pharo users? >>> Want to have positive and nice discussions about Pharo? >>> >>> This mailing-list is for you >>> >>> https://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo/lse-pharo4pharo >>> >>> I created a new mailing-list for Pharo 4 Pharo. >>> The idea of this new mailing-list is to exchange between Pharo users >>> on Pharo. >>> >>> If you want to talk about the weather and other cool fishing >>> practices or how other languages are super cool, >>> then you should use another mailing-list. >>> >>> You can consider that Iâm >>> [ ]Â Â an asshole >>> [ ] Â an arrogant idiot >>> [ ] Â other >>> This is not my concern. >>> >>> My concern is: can we respect Pharo and users of Pharo that want to >>> share what they are doing >>> and ask questions about their language? >>> >>> If you join this mailing-list be warned that I (yes me the >>> benevolent dictator of Pharo) will remove you from the mailing-list >>> when you get on my nerves. >>> >>> If you do not like it, do not like me, do not appreciate it, do not >>> join! >>> >>> S. >>> >>> BTW they are plenty of newsgroups about Smalltalk and you can join >>> there. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> StÃ©phane Ducasse >>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / >>> http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>> Assistant: Julie Jonas >>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>> 40, avenue Halley, >>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza >>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>> France >>> >> -- >> ----------------- >> BenoÃ®t St-Jean >> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >> Twitter: @BenLeChialeux >> Pinterest: benoitstjean >> Instagram: Chef_Benito >> IRC: lamneth >> GitHub: bstjean >> Blogue:endormitoire.wordpress.com <http://endormitoire.wordpress.com> >> "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) >> >> > -- ----------------- BenoÃ®t St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth GitHub: bstjean Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein)

Jan. 30, 2020