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Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pragma keyword vs Pragma selector

by stepharo

I would rename Pragma>>keyword into Pragma>>selector Pragma>>selector into Pragma>>methodSelector so like that it is coherent with Message and method api and with Pragma>>methodClass Le 13/5/16 Ã 14:33, stepharo a Ã©crit : > Color >> gtInspectorColorIn: composite > <gtInspectorPresentationOrder: 30> > > composite morph > title: 'Color'; > display: [ BorderedMorph new color: self ] > > pragma := (Color >> #gtInspectorColorIn:) pragmas first > pragma arguments > > 30 > pragma keyword > > #gtInspectorPresentationOrder: > > > I wonder why pragma returns their selector using keyword and not > selector? > > Especially since message API uses selector. > > > Pragma >> message > "Answer the message of the receiving pragma." > > ^ Message selector: self keyword arguments: self arguments. > > Stef > > >

May 14, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.0 Development started

by stepharo

Hi Jeff We discussed two weeks ago so from my memory: We should see if we cannot do a 6 months release instead of 12 months. - git support and process (nicolas passerini is working on it) the idea is to have a process (not just a command line) that helps us managing cross projects changes - bootstrap pavel, christophe and guille are working on it - Cargo package manager christophe should release a version soon - Epicea - cleaning tools, cleaning spec, ProtoObject, - being able to remove the old compiler and reload it - improving the coverage of the core bootstrap - removing useless stuff (newList, TextHolder...) - Probably 64 bits For Bloc it also depends on Brick. stef

May 14, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.0 Development started

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

I second Torsten. Even though I had a lot of trouble over the font bug, I'd argue it was more of a problem on my side as I didn't adapt appropriately... after all we still have available all versions of the release. As long as the core devs are ok with the amount of change, I don't see a problem. And if you want to live on the `bleedingEdge`, well then also read the first part of the word. :) So as long as people who create the stuff actually manage it, I'm happy with the bumpy ride because the result is that more amazing. Peter On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Cyril Ferlicot wrote: > > It would be good to have one to not integrate too many new things like > > in Pharo 5 and have trouble stabilizing it. > > Please define "too many" and "trouble" :P > > Hey - right after Pharo 4 was release I switch and used Pharo 5 through > the whole > development cycle even during the "shaky" times. Following the point > "Communication is key" > in Pharo Zen this was clearly announced to all the contributors. > > Yes - there was some trouble inbetween and yes it costed us all time and > work to switch > also to UFFI and others. But Spur now made us faster, UFFI more unified, > ... > > From my POV Pharo 5 primarily was usable enough even for the ones living > (working) on the edge. > It's anyones own decision to take the unstable ride during development of > next version or stay > with the last stable release. > > As we all know the only constant in life is change: so we should not fear > to change, add > or remove when we see it as necessary. The more new and interesting stuff > the better. > How much "more" really means will be depending on all our contributions > which I hope > will again increase. > > Pharo 6 should and will again be better and I hope it will include many > new stuff > even when things might get shaky again. > > Step by step it goes... > > Bye > T. > >

May 13, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.0 Development started

by Torsten Bergmann

Cyril Ferlicot wrote: > It would be good to have one to not integrate too many new things like > in Pharo 5 and have trouble stabilizing it. Please define "too many" and "trouble" :P Hey - right after Pharo 4 was release I switch and used Pharo 5 through the whole development cycle even during the "shaky" times. Following the point "Communication is key" in Pharo Zen this was clearly announced to all the contributors. Yes - there was some trouble inbetween and yes it costed us all time and work to switch also to UFFI and others. But Spur now made us faster, UFFI more unified, ... >From my POV Pharo 5 primarily was usable enough even for the ones living (working) on the edge. It's anyones own decision to take the unstable ride during development of next version or stay with the last stable release. As we all know the only constant in life is change: so we should not fear to change, add or remove when we see it as necessary. The more new and interesting stuff the better. How much "more" really means will be depending on all our contributions which I hope will again increase. Pharo 6 should and will again be better and I hope it will include many new stuff even when things might get shaky again. Step by step it goes... Bye T.

May 13, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [HELP WANTED] Getting ready for Pharo 5.0 release (CentOS, oldLibC, Nix, ArchLinux, and others)

by Esteban Lorenzano

Nono, just see if this version works :) > On 13 May 2016, at 18:16, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > i can test it on debian 7.10 x86_64, and by testing i mean follow the "steps to reproduce" that i mentioned. > > when you mention "test it", what does it mean? (running all the tests in the image??), > how do you test the vm? > > > > > >> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> btw can you test it? >> I might have fixed it yesterday :P >> >>> On 13 May 2016, at 17:49, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> great!. >>> >>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 13 May 2016, at 17:32, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> i submit an issue >>>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18221/This-interpreter-vers-6505-cannot-r… >>>> >>>> yes we know. >>>> but this is a vm problem, not an image one. >>>> >>>> we will provide a centos vm as soon as we find a bit of time. >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Esteban, >>>>>> i found a problem with one of the packages, see below >>>>>> >>>>>> ** TODO This interpreter (vers. 6505) cannot read image file (vers. 6521) >>>>>> Operating System: Debian 7.10 x86_64 >>>>>> >>>>>> - wget http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip >>>>>> - unzip Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip >>>>>> - cd pharo5.0 >>>>>> - ./pharo >>>>>> >>>>>> Actual Message: >>>>>> This interpreter (vers. 6505) cannot read image file (vers. 6521). >>>>>> Press CR to quit...^C >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2016, at 16:15, philippe.back(a)highoctane.be <philippe.back(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will do the CentOS 6 thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I replicated the jobs that were creating centos vms (I think thatâs for 6)â¦ if you can try those, it would be cool :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Esteban >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And give a shot at CentOS 7. That one may take longer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2016 3:26 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Iâm trying to get ready the download page for Pharo 5.0â¦ who should happen next monday :) >>>>>>>>> So, I create a download page: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://pharo.org/download-50 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and one for linux: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation-50 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For linux, I made >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> linux general >>>>>>>>> centos >>>>>>>>> oldLibC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) I cannot test them >>>>>>>>> 2) list is incomplete, we are still missing: >>>>>>>>> - ubuntu ppa >>>>>>>>> - Nix >>>>>>>>> - ArchLinux >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can responsables for those platforms take action and test/prepare packages? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thanks! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Esteban >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Bernardo E.C. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bernardo E.C. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bernardo E.C. >>> >>> Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. > > > > -- > Bernardo E.C. > > Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America.

May 13, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [HELP WANTED] Getting ready for Pharo 5.0 release (CentOS, oldLibC, Nix, ArchLinux, and others)

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

i can test it on debian 7.10 x86_64, and by testing i mean follow the "steps to reproduce" that i mentioned. when you mention "test it", what does it mean? (running all the tests in the image??), how do you test the vm? On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > btw can you test it? > I might have fixed it yesterday :P > > On 13 May 2016, at 17:49, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras < > vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > great!. > > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> On 13 May 2016, at 17:32, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras < >> vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> i submit an issue >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18221/This-interpreter-vers-6505-cannot-r… >> >> >> yes we know. >> but this is a vm problem, not an image one. >> >> we will provide a centos vm as soon as we find a bit of time. >> >> Esteban >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras < >> vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Esteban, >>> i found a problem with one of the packages, see below >>> >>> ** TODO This interpreter (vers. 6505) cannot read image file (vers. 6521) >>> Operating System: Debian 7.10 x86_64 >>> >>> - wget http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip >>> - unzip Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip >>> - cd pharo5.0 >>> - ./pharo >>> >>> Actual Message: >>> This interpreter (vers. 6505) cannot read image file (vers. 6521). >>> Press CR to quit...^C >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 27 Apr 2016, at 16:15, philippe.back(a)highoctane.be < >>>> philippe.back(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Will do the CentOS 6 thing. >>>> >>>> I replicated the jobs that were creating centos vms (I think thatâs for >>>> 6)â¦ if you can try those, it would be cool :) >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> >>>> And give a shot at CentOS 7. That one may take longer. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> On Apr 27, 2016 3:26 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Iâm trying to get ready the download page for Pharo 5.0â¦ who should >>>>> happen next monday :) >>>>> So, I create a download page: >>>>> >>>>> http://pharo.org/download-50 >>>>> >>>>> and one for linux: >>>>> >>>>> http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation-50 >>>>> >>>>> For linux, I made >>>>> >>>>> linux general >>>>> centos >>>>> oldLibC >>>>> >>>>> but >>>>> >>>>> 1) I cannot test them >>>>> 2) list is incomplete, we are still missing: >>>>> - ubuntu ppa >>>>> - Nix >>>>> - ArchLinux >>>>> >>>>> Can responsables for those platforms take action and test/prepare >>>>> packages? >>>>> >>>>> thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Esteban >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bernardo E.C. >>> >>> Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernardo E.C. >> >> Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. >> >> >> > > > -- > Bernardo E.C. > > Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. > > > -- Bernardo E.C. Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America.

May 13, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.0 Development started

by Cyril Ferlicot Delbecque

On 13/05/2016 18:08, J.F. Rick wrote: > Is there a (informal) roadmap for Pharo 6.0? What are the major things > that are being targeted? Bloc replacing Morphic? Move from 32-bit to > 64-bit? Athens-based rendering? > > Cheers, > > Jeff It would be good to have one to not integrate too many new things like in Pharo 5 and have trouble stabilizing it. -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France

May 13, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.0 Development started

by J.F. Rick

Is there a (informal) roadmap for Pharo 6.0? What are the major things that are being targeted? Bloc replacing Morphic? Move from 32-bit to 64-bit? Athens-based rendering? Cheers, Jeff On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 11:31 AM Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > So, that: We just started development of Pharo 6.0 :) > > And of course, now monkey fails because you guys committed fixes from > Pharo 6.0 in Pharo 5.0 inbox... so if you want the check, please commit in > the new inbox :) > > cheers! > Esteban >

May 13, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [HELP WANTED] Getting ready for Pharo 5.0 release (CentOS, oldLibC, Nix, ArchLinux, and others)

by Esteban Lorenzano

btw can you test it? I might have fixed it yesterday :P > On 13 May 2016, at 17:49, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > great!. > > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> On 13 May 2016, at 17:32, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann(a)gmail.com <mailto:vonbecmann@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> i submit an issue >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18221/This-interpreter-vers-6505-cannot-r… <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18221/This-interpreter-vers-6505-cannot-r…> > yes we know. > but this is a vm problem, not an image one. > > we will provide a centos vm as soon as we find a bit of time. > > Esteban > >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann(a)gmail.com <mailto:vonbecmann@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi Esteban, >> i found a problem with one of the packages, see below >> >> ** TODO This interpreter (vers. 6505) cannot read image file (vers. 6521) >> Operating System: Debian 7.10 x86_64 >> >> - wget http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip <http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip> >> - unzip Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip >> - cd pharo5.0 >> - ./pharo >> >> Actual Message: >> This interpreter (vers. 6505) cannot read image file (vers. 6521). >> Press CR to quit...^C >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> On 27 Apr 2016, at 16:15, philippe.back(a)highoctane.be <mailto:philippe.back@highoctane.be> <philippe.back(a)gmail.com <mailto:philippe.back@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Will do the CentOS 6 thing. >>> >> >> I replicated the jobs that were creating centos vms (I think thatâs for 6)â¦ if you can try those, it would be cool :) >> >> Esteban >> >> >>> And give a shot at CentOS 7. That one may take longer. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2016 3:26 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Iâm trying to get ready the download page for Pharo 5.0â¦ who should happen next monday :) >>> So, I create a download page: >>> >>> http://pharo.org/download-50 <http://pharo.org/download-50> >>> >>> and one for linux: >>> >>> http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation-50 <http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation-50> >>> >>> For linux, I made >>> >>> linux general >>> centos >>> oldLibC >>> >>> but >>> >>> 1) I cannot test them >>> 2) list is incomplete, we are still missing: >>> - ubuntu ppa >>> - Nix >>> - ArchLinux >>> >>> Can responsables for those platforms take action and test/prepare packages? >>> >>> thanks! >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernardo E.C. >> >> Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernardo E.C. >> >> Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. > > > > > -- > Bernardo E.C. > > Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America.

May 13, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [HELP WANTED] Getting ready for Pharo 5.0 release (CentOS, oldLibC, Nix, ArchLinux, and others)

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

great!. On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 13 May 2016, at 17:32, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras < > vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > i submit an issue > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18221/This-interpreter-vers-6505-cannot-r… > > > yes we know. > but this is a vm problem, not an image one. > > we will provide a centos vm as soon as we find a bit of time. > > Esteban > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras < > vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Esteban, >> i found a problem with one of the packages, see below >> >> ** TODO This interpreter (vers. 6505) cannot read image file (vers. 6521) >> Operating System: Debian 7.10 x86_64 >> >> - wget http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip >> - unzip Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip >> - cd pharo5.0 >> - ./pharo >> >> Actual Message: >> This interpreter (vers. 6505) cannot read image file (vers. 6521). >> Press CR to quit...^C >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 27 Apr 2016, at 16:15, philippe.back(a)highoctane.be < >>> philippe.back(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Will do the CentOS 6 thing. >>> >>> I replicated the jobs that were creating centos vms (I think thatâs for >>> 6)â¦ if you can try those, it would be cool :) >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> >>> And give a shot at CentOS 7. That one may take longer. >>> >>> Phil >>> On Apr 27, 2016 3:26 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Iâm trying to get ready the download page for Pharo 5.0â¦ who should >>>> happen next monday :) >>>> So, I create a download page: >>>> >>>> http://pharo.org/download-50 >>>> >>>> and one for linux: >>>> >>>> http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation-50 >>>> >>>> For linux, I made >>>> >>>> linux general >>>> centos >>>> oldLibC >>>> >>>> but >>>> >>>> 1) I cannot test them >>>> 2) list is incomplete, we are still missing: >>>> - ubuntu ppa >>>> - Nix >>>> - ArchLinux >>>> >>>> Can responsables for those platforms take action and test/prepare >>>> packages? >>>> >>>> thanks! >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Bernardo E.C. >> >> Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. >> > > > > -- > Bernardo E.C. > > Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. > > > -- Bernardo E.C. Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America.

May 13, 2016