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Re: [Pharo-project] UI gripes planning

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Gary, I have a little knowledge in UI. However, I am willing to spend a couple of hours to help you. The great work you did warmly deserve it. How can I help? Cheers, Alexandre On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:47, Gary Chambers wrote: > I think we could do with a more structured way of describing UI > suggestions/wants. > Maybe on the issues tracker or a wiki or something else. > > Thoughts invited. > > Regards, Gary > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 24, 2009

[Pharo-project] UI gripes planning

by Gary Chambers

I think we could do with a more structured way of describing UI suggestions/wants. Maybe on the issues tracker or a wiki or something else. Thoughts invited. Regards, Gary

Feb. 24, 2009

[Pharo-project] 10243: error related to OB in the transcript

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! When I accept methods definition in OB, I have some printout: ERROR: SAXCModule class>>superSenderSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>overridesSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>conflictsSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>suppliedSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>superSenderSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>overridesSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>conflictsSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>suppliedSelectors ERROR: CAnalyzerTest class>>superSenderSelectors ERROR: CAnalyzerTest class>>conflictsSelectors ERROR: CAnalyzerTest class>>overridesSelectors ERROR: CAnalyzerTest class>>suppliedSelectors Maybe this is related to the dynamic protocol recently introduced (which is an excellent thing). I use a 10243. Issue #607 Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the painor ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)]

by Rob Rothwell

Ok, thanks for all the feedback! On the ScreenController side, the basic use that was left was to turn full screen mode on and off and query the current state to build World Menus and TheWorldMainDockingBar. There was also something specifically written to deal with Mac plugin calls in the System package: shouldUsePluginAPI "HTTPClient shouldUsePluginAPI" self isRunningInBrowser ifFalse: [^false]. self browserSupportsAPI ifFalse: [^false]. "The Mac plugin calls do not work in full screen mode" ^((SmalltalkImage current platformName = 'Mac OS') and: [Display isFullScreen]) not and that was about it... Take care, Rob On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>wrote: > And let me know what changes... will likely affect Polymorph. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Damien Cassou" <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>; <rjriv(a)sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the > painor ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)] > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Rob Rothwell <r.j.rothwell(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > No problem. I'd like to do more, I am just currently best suited towards > > these types of "menial" tasks! I would be happy to do things like this > > within my scope abilities if anyone has need of my help. > > Sure, have a look at the issue tagged with TASK: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=task > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Shadow in Watery2

by Alexandre Bergel

Ok Alexandre On 24 Feb 2009, at 16:53, Gary Chambers wrote: > Latest Polymorph has theme-handled drop shadow support when carried > by hand. > > Doesn't help grabbing faster since for the cached form it needs to > draw the > window on the cached form and also redraw the world without the > window as a > submorph. Dragging more complex windows will always be slower to > initially > respond, unfortunately. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>; <rjriv(a)sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Shadow in Watery2 > > >> If this would help grabbing and dragging windows faster, I would >> use it. >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 22 Feb 2009, at 14:43, Rob Rothwell wrote: >> >>> For that, I would ask "is it worth it?" How many users are just >>> going to turn on the fastDragWindowForMorphic preference anyway?! >>> >>> For some reason that little delay when you grab a window to move it >>> always prompts me to do so! >>> >>> Just my thought on the matter... >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com >>>> wrote: >>> Yeah, the ordinary drop shadow was quite simple to implement. >>> Hand-grabbed drop shadows are altogether much nastier! >>> Not impossible but would require some evil hacking. >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:58 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Shadow in Watery2 >>> >>> >>>> 2009/2/21 Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch>: >>>>> Gary, >>>>> >>>>> Watery2 looks better and better :-) Great! >>>>> >>>>> One question regarding the shadow: Now the active window has >>>>> a translucent shadow (like macos), very nice. >>>>> >>>>> But it's turned off and replaced with the hard non-translucend >>>>> Morphic shadow while moving the window. >>>>> Would it be possible to render the same shadow, even wen picking >>>>> up windows? This would result in a much smoother apperance, and I >>>>> think it even would feel faster. >>>>> >>>> Good luck with that.. For shadow when picking up responds the hand >>> morph.. >>>> There is quite sophisticated logic which caching the morph >>> appearance >>>> when its in hand.. along with shadow. >>>> I tried to reproduce this effect on my GLCanvas, but found it >>>> impossible to do without support of render buffers extension :) >>>> >>>>> Marcus >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org >>>>> http://www.marcusdenker.de >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo

by Igor Stasenko

2009/2/24 Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: > That's just down to the fact that textstyles are applied on opening of > browsers/morphs. > Reopening the browsers should sort it. > > The slight other concern I have with this font is the apparently excessive > line spacing, not as compact as, say, Arial. > Does anyone knows, how/where line height is calculated? Maybe this code does not takes font DPI in account, or assuming a fixed dpi which is mismatching with screen dpi. > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire(a)ofset.org> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo > > > Can it be related to a problem I saw recently with text string > inappropriately clipped toward the end (string length calculus seems > too short of 1 or 2 pixels)? > I can see it in last release when using deja vue font for example. > > It does not show up in #194 however. > > Hilaire > > > 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 20:18 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> > On linux it doesn't look very good. There is something weird >>> > with the font height and position. Well, it looks a lot better >>> > in pharo than in gnome :) >>> > >>> seems like you changed font after opening a browser window. And it >>> using old font height to calculate line heights. >>> >> If I would have changed the font after opening the window I couldn't >> see the new font. The fonts are only applied on opening a window. >> You can see it in the workspace and the menu two. There is enough >> space through the big line height. In the class browser it is somehow >> cut off. >> >> Norbert >> >> >>> >>> > screenshot is attached. >>> > >>> > Norbert >>> > >>> > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 13:33 +0100, JÃ©rÃ´me wrote: >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> I found the Font "Andika Basic"[2] which is an Open Source and Free- >>> >> Software[1] Unicode-ready font made by the same people who brought us >>> >> Gentium, the typeface for the nations. I suggest using Andika as the >>> >> Pharo CI Font since it can be distributed along with Pharo and looks a >>> >> little bit like Lucida Grande, the Mac-UI-font, but at the same time >>> >> is more friendly and better readable[3]. According to the Andika >>> >> Website, Andika is Swahili, which is spoken widely in southeastern >>> >> regions of the African continent, and means "Write!". >>> >> >>> >> Have a look: >>> >> [2] >>> >> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika >>> >> [3] http://minusfreun.de/blog/uploads/Pharo.png >>> >> >>> >> JÃ©rÃ´me >>> >> >>> >> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Pharo-project mailing list >>> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Pharo-project mailing list >>> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Shadow in Watery2

by Gary Chambers

Latest Polymorph has theme-handled drop shadow support when carried by hand. Doesn't help grabbing faster since for the cached form it needs to draw the window on the cached form and also redraw the world without the window as a submorph. Dragging more complex windows will always be slower to initially respond, unfortunately. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>; <rjriv(a)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Shadow in Watery2 > If this would help grabbing and dragging windows faster, I would use it. > > Alexandre > > > On 22 Feb 2009, at 14:43, Rob Rothwell wrote: > >> For that, I would ask "is it worth it?" How many users are just >> going to turn on the fastDragWindowForMorphic preference anyway?! >> >> For some reason that little delay when you grab a window to move it >> always prompts me to do so! >> >> Just my thought on the matter... >> >> Take care, >> >> Rob >> >> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com >> > wrote: >> Yeah, the ordinary drop shadow was quite simple to implement. >> Hand-grabbed drop shadows are altogether much nastier! >> Not impossible but would require some evil hacking. >> >> Regards, Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Shadow in Watery2 >> >> >> > 2009/2/21 Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch>: >> >> Gary, >> >> >> >> Watery2 looks better and better :-) Great! >> >> >> >> One question regarding the shadow: Now the active window has >> >> a translucent shadow (like macos), very nice. >> >> >> >> But it's turned off and replaced with the hard non-translucend >> >> Morphic shadow while moving the window. >> >> Would it be possible to render the same shadow, even wen picking >> >> up windows? This would result in a much smoother apperance, and I >> >> think it even would feel faster. >> >> >> > Good luck with that.. For shadow when picking up responds the hand >> morph.. >> > There is quite sophisticated logic which caching the morph >> appearance >> > when its in hand.. along with shadow. >> > I tried to reproduce this effect on my GLCanvas, but found it >> > impossible to do without support of render buffers extension :) >> > >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org >> >> http://www.marcusdenker.de >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Best regards, >> > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo

by Gary Chambers

That's just down to the fact that textstyles are applied on opening of browsers/morphs. Reopening the browsers should sort it. The slight other concern I have with this font is the apparently excessive line spacing, not as compact as, say, Arial. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire(a)ofset.org> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo Can it be related to a problem I saw recently with text string inappropriately clipped toward the end (string length calculus seems too short of 1 or 2 pixels)? I can see it in last release when using deja vue font for example. It does not show up in #194 however. Hilaire 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 20:18 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> > On linux it doesn't look very good. There is something weird >> > with the font height and position. Well, it looks a lot better >> > in pharo than in gnome :) >> > >> seems like you changed font after opening a browser window. And it >> using old font height to calculate line heights. >> > If I would have changed the font after opening the window I couldn't > see the new font. The fonts are only applied on opening a window. > You can see it in the workspace and the menu two. There is enough > space through the big line height. In the class browser it is somehow > cut off. > > Norbert > > >> >> > screenshot is attached. >> > >> > Norbert >> > >> > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 13:33 +0100, JÃ©rÃ´me wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I found the Font "Andika Basic"[2] which is an Open Source and Free- >> >> Software[1] Unicode-ready font made by the same people who brought us >> >> Gentium, the typeface for the nations. I suggest using Andika as the >> >> Pharo CI Font since it can be distributed along with Pharo and looks a >> >> little bit like Lucida Grande, the Mac-UI-font, but at the same time >> >> is more friendly and better readable[3]. According to the Andika >> >> Website, Andika is Swahili, which is spoken widely in southeastern >> >> regions of the African continent, and means "Write!". >> >> >> >> Have a look: >> >> [2] >> >> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika >> >> [3] http://minusfreun.de/blog/uploads/Pharo.png >> >> >> >> JÃ©rÃ´me >> >> >> >> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the painor ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)]

by Gary Chambers

And let me know what changes... will likely affect Polymorph. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Cassou" <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>; <rjriv(a)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the painor ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)] On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Rob Rothwell <r.j.rothwell(a)gmail.com> wrote: > No problem. I'd like to do more, I am just currently best suited towards > these types of "menial" tasks! I would be happy to do things like this > within my scope abilities if anyone has need of my help. Sure, have a look at the issue tagged with TASK: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=task -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok I will have a look. I was probably silly On Feb 24, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Hilaire Fernandes > <hilaire(a)ofset.org> wrote: >> Filein it, then installing Seaside, >> (Installer universe install: 'Seaside(2.8.3.572)'.) >> >> => blank screen of depth > > I confirm. This is because of infinite recursion: > > MIMEDocument>>type calls #contentType which calls #mimetype which > calls #type which calls... > > I think that #mimetype should directly returns the instance variable > 'type' > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 24, 2009