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Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, I thought so too until a while ago, but it appears to be long gone. I would enjoy being shown otherwise. However, I still think there is good reason to expose and promote both curl and OpenSSL because they will draw "customers." Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:08 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo Ok I thought the cryptology package was working well and maintained. Stef On May 22, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Agreed: I mentioned both curl and OpenSSL - we should embrace both. > AFACT, the cryptography package is a thing of the past, and we should > look to active projects. Tell me where I'm wrong, please. > > Another reality, fair or not: if we were to take on the enormous > burden of maintaining the cypto package, there would always be > questions about security holes we left open. The same will be true of > OpenSSL, but there is (not always fair) credibility in numbers widely > known projects. There will be would-be users of Pharo who will want > OpenSSL for its reputation, and who would question a home- grown > solution. > > Bill > > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > ] On Behalf Of Fernando olivero > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:20 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > > Just a comment, > > you could use the new AlienFFI framework to comunicate with curl. > Or reify any C library you want in Pharo. > > Fernando > > > On May 22, 2009, at 5:04 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> The most recent post on the crytography mailing list starts out as >> follows: >> >> Since the Cryptography Team doesn't exists anymore, the Cryptography >> package is not maintained by anyone. The SSL implementation doesn't >> allow easy debugging, you can't just turn on logging to see what's >> happening. Following the state machine transitions should give you >> the answer why the handshake isn't succeding. It might be related to >> certificates or TLS->SSL3 fallback. If I were you, I would go with >> curl. >> I think it is time to write a wrapper around open SSL in addition to >> looking at the curl plugin. Trying to write cryptography code from >> scratch and get and keep it right is a huge effort, and pretty >> avoidable, and IMHO, better avoided by letting others do the job. >> Ever read Sun Tzu? >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck >> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:51 PM >> To: Pharo Development >> Subject: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo >> >> I don't know if there is anyone of the developers of the package >> Cryptography but is someone is willing to do the port of it to Pharo? >> Most tests are break and it seems not to work because lots of >> Cryptography methods where in classes like SmallInteger and these >> methods were removed in Pharo. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mariano >> <ATT00001.txt> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks I will use that for my lecture next week :) On May 22, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). > > The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that > because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is > difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title when > hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. As > for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. > > Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos (larger > font size) here: > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' > user: '' > password: '' > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >> Adrian >> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> :) >>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>> >>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>> >>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>> for >>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>> Helvetica >>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>>> use Monaco: >>>> >>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 14 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>>> 9. >>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: girba(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>> configuration >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>> in a >>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>> anyone >>>>> help? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Doru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>> core >>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, > one might have better chances to win by moving slower." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration

by Tudor Girba

I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title when hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. As for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos (larger font size) here: MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' user: '' password: '' Cheers, Doru On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) > Adrian > > On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> :) >> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >> >> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>> >>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>> for >>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica >>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>> use Monaco: >>> >>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 9 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 14 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>> 9. >>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: girba(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>> configuration >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>> in a >>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >>>> help? >>>> >>>> >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>> core >>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>> 10309dev >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>> decrease >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>> the >>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>> even >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>> project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- www.tudorgirba.com "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, one might have better chances to win by moving slower."

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration

by Andrey Larionov

A you tried it actualy or just say it looking on specified font sizes? Liberation fonts is not small by nature so this sizes is very nice for my 1280x800. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 16:08, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > quite small :) > > On May 22, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Andrey Larionov wrote: > >> My favourite font set is Liberation from RedHat. But this set have >> license issue. >> >> |font codeFont tooltipFont| >> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 9. >> tooltipFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 7. >> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Mono' pointSize: 9. >> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 11. >> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: tooltipFont. >> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 15:20, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> >> wrote: >>> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >>> Adrian >>> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> :) >>>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>>> >>>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>>> >>>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>>> for >>>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>>> Helvetica >>>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>>>> use Monaco: >>>>> >>>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â pointSize: 9 >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â pointSize: 14 >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9. >>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: girba(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>>> configuration >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>>> in a >>>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>>> anyone >>>>>> help? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Doru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>>> core >>>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

quite small :) On May 22, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Andrey Larionov wrote: > My favourite font set is Liberation from RedHat. But this set have > license issue. > > |font codeFont tooltipFont| > font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 9. > tooltipFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 7. > codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Mono' pointSize: 9. > titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 11. > Preferences setListFontTo: font. > Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. > Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. > Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. > Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: tooltipFont. > Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 15:20, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> > wrote: >> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >> Adrian >> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> :) >>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>> >>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>> >>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>> for >>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>> Helvetica >>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>>> use Monaco: >>>> >>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 14 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9. >>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: girba(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>> configuration >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>> in a >>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>> anyone >>>>> help? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Doru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>> core >>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I love the condensed menu. I think that the point is not to get one but several effective configurations that people could use when they do not care about license problem. Stef On May 22, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) > Adrian > > On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> :) >> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >> >> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>> >>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>> for >>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica >>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>> use Monaco: >>> >>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 9 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 14 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>> 9. >>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: girba(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>> configuration >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>> in a >>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >>>> help? >>>> >>>> >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>> core >>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>> 10309dev >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>> decrease >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>> the >>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>> even >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>> project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Symbol>>value:value:

by Alexandre Bergel

I share the point made by Lukas. Symbol>>value:value: is very obscure. If we introduce Symbol>>value:value:, why not Symbol>>value:value:value: and so on? Alexandre On 21 May 2009, at 04:00, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I would be in favor of having value: value: on symbol and get rid of > value on Object > Because this is really cool to write #( 1 2 3) collect: #abs > > > > On May 20, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> (I apologize for the length of this email, but I did not know how to >> write it shorter) >> >> My reasons for Symbol>>value: and similar selectors are as follows. >> >> A Symbol is already used for several things, like a key in an >> identity >> dictionary. But it is also used for parameterizing a mapping to a >> piece of behavior via a #symbol stored in a selector instance >> variable. Later on, this behavior is invoked as: >> >> receiver perform: selector. >> >> This is for example what happens in Morphic, and as a result I am >> forced to create a Model class for a custom Morph, even if the >> customization is minimal. This is a hurdle when you are in prototype >> mode. Instead I would like to have the possibility to prototype >> faster >> using blocks instead of creating a class. >> >> This is possible right now for unary methods when the framework does >> not directly do a perform:, but instead it does: >> >> selector value: receiver. >> >> Ideally, we could have in the entire image only one place in which >> perform: is called explicitly: in the Symbol>>value:. In this way, I >> will be able to pass a block everywhere a unary method is now used. >> This is something we do when we want to use Smalltalk for scripting >> (Mondrian and Glamour do that) >> >> The same case goes for Symbol>>value:value: . These two methods would >> already cover the large majority of performs, but I would argue for >> adding all possibilities of evaluating blocks and of performing >> messages. >> >> If you are asking what do Symbol have to do with blocks from a >> conceptual point of view, I will answer that when the Symbol is used >> as a selector, it does nothing else but point to a piece of behavior. >> Given that a Block does a similar thing, you can as well treat them >> in >> a polymorphic fashion. >> >> The only question that remains in my mind is: does a modification >> like >> this has the possibility of harming? I am not aware of a case in >> which >> it is harmful, but who knows. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 20 May 2009, at 15:27, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> value from Object and value: from Symbol are different >>> with value: on Symbol you can do >>> >>> self collect: #abs >>> >>> :) >>> >>> On May 20, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Gabriel Cotelli wrote: >>> >>>> +1 to the removal of value: from Symbol.... >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Given that in Pharo we have Symbol>>value:, are there any reasons >>>> not >>>>> to have also >>>>> >>>>> Symbol>>value: anObject value: anotherObject >>>>> ^ anObject perform: self with: anotherObject >>>> >>>> While Symbol>>#value: is at the border of being readable, >>>> Symbol>>#value:value: is even worse. It is not immediately obvious >>>> what it does. The order of receiver and arguments is hardcoded and >>>> thus the construct cannot be applied in most cases without >>>> rewriting >>>> the code. Fixed arguments cannot be given. >>>> >>>> Instead of adding new #value: variants, we should rather try to >>>> remove >>>> Object>>#value which is a real nightmare ;-) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Lukas >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lukas Renggli >>>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Problem solving efficiency grows with the abstractness level of >> problem understanding." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration

by Andrey Larionov

My favourite font set is Liberation from RedHat. But this set have license issue. |font codeFont tooltipFont| font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 9. tooltipFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 7. codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Mono' pointSize: 9. titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 11. Preferences setListFontTo: font. Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: tooltipFont. Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 15:20, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) > Adrian > > On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> :) >> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >> >> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>> >>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold for >>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica >>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>> use Monaco: >>> >>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â pointSize: 9 >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â pointSize: 14 >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: 9. >>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: girba(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>> in a >>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >>>> help? >>>> >>>> >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>> core >>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>> 10309dev >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with Lucida >>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>> decrease >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>> the >>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph damage >>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will RUN >>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>> even >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>> project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. 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May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration

by Adrian Lienhard

gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) Adrian On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > :) > looks cool to me. thanks doru. > > <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> > On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >> >> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold for >> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica >> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >> use Monaco: >> >> menuFont := LogicalFont >> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >> pointSize: 9 >> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >> titleFont := LogicalFont >> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >> pointSize: 14 >> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: 9. >> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>>> From: girba(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>> in a >>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >>> help? >>> >>> >>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 9 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Andy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>> core >>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>> >>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>> >>>>> Adrian >>>>> >>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>> 10309dev >>>>>> and >>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with Lucida >>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>> decrease >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>> the >>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>> Pharo >>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph damage >>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will RUN >>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>> even >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>> girls :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. 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May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

:) looks cool to me. thanks doru. On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Thanks a lot, that worked fine. > > So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold for > menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica > Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I > use Monaco: > > menuFont := LogicalFont > familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > pointSize: 9 > stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > titleFont := LogicalFont > familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > pointSize: 14 > stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. > defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: 9. > Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. > Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. > Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. > Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. > Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. > Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. > Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. > > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: > >> Hi >> >> >>> From: girba(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >> in a >>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >> help? >> >> >> codeFont := LogicalFont >> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >> pointSize: 9 >> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >> >> Cheers, >> Andy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>> >>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >> core >>>> and run the script I posted. >>>> >>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>> >>>> Adrian >>>> >>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>> >>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >> 10309dev >>>>> and >>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with Lucida >>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>> >>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >> pointSize: 10. >>>>>> >>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >> decrease >>>>>> the >>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >> the >>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >> Pharo >>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph damage >>>>>>> code >>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will RUN >>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >> even >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >> girls :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >> pointSize: >>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >> project >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. 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