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[Pharo-project] [update 1.2] #12120

by stephane ducasse

12120 ----- - Issue 2898: DurationTest>>testNormalizeNanoSeconds and fix. David T. Lewis - Issue 2892: ifNotNil decompilation. Thanks Henrik Johanssen and Eliot Miranda. - Issue 2895: urlClassForScheme handles HTTPS. Thanks Andreas Raab.

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports?

by Yang Ha Nguyen

Hi Wilhelm Schwab, I think you have misunderstood me. I was quoting Friedrich's message and responsing to him, even before your reply, since he has been being subjective about the point. Personal taste doesn't mean to be subjective. On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 10:10:20AM -0400, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >Yang Nguyen, > >This reads as though you are responding to *me* as the MS junkie. For the record, I have been making the point that there are (generally superior) alternatives to MS software, and I never referred to "OpenOffice Basic." Please direct your advice to Friedrich Dominicus, who is either seeking it or perhaps just trolling. > >Bill > > >________________________________________ >From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Yang Ha Nguyen [cmpitg(a)gmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:05 AM >To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports? > >On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 09:09:07AM +0200, Friedrich Dominicus wrote: >>"Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: >> >>And let's be honest a second time. MS-Office is the Standard by any >>means. Yes there is LaTex and yes there is OpenOffice but sorry if >>anyone talks about Office Software they mean MS-Office. And we have to >>admit that the MS-Office tools are extremly useful, especially Excel is >>quite good at that spreadsheets can do ;-) >> > >I don't think there is some one who is not honest in this topic. >M$-Office is *popular* doesn't mean that it's the standard. Talking >about office suite doesn't imply that it's the office suite from M$, >except for the situation that you were grown in a M$'s dominated >education system. What feature makes OpenOffice.org not useful? Except >for just not being able to perfectly handle M$'s proprietary format? >Have you ever used OpenOffice.org Calc for your own sake? > >>> >>> OpenOffice has some type of (Java??) scripting interface. That might >>> be a little better and perhaps even friendlier than MS' offerings and >>> might then be induced to create .xls files. >>Well VBA and Excel is well working, I doubt that OpenOffice Basic can >>compete with it. >> > >Oh, I didn't know that OpenOffice.org Basic is a spreadsheet software. >I doubt I've ever heard of its name as an spreadsheet application. M$ >Excel just works with its own closed source VBA version, my >OpenOffice.org Calc works with VBA, Python, and Java scripting >languages. I've never spent a lot of time writing and maintaining >source code with Python as with VB. What makes it not a good competitor >to M$ Excel? > >Best regards, >-- >Yang Nguyen >Life is a hack > > >_______________________________________________ >Pharo-project mailing list >Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >_______________________________________________ >Pharo-project mailing list >Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project Best regards, -- Yang Nguyen Life is a hack

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] programmatically update a Pharo image

by Fernando olivero

Since you need a specific behavior for your application you could mimic the code here in #readServerUpdatesThrough: maxNumber saveLocally: saveLocally updateImage: updateImage, without sending message to ... UIManager default chooseFrom: #('Stop looking' 'Try next server') title: .... Or maybe decouple it from the view, and integrate it into Pharo. Fernando On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > 2010/9/1 Cyrille Delaunay <cy.delaunay(a)gmail.com> > Ok, thanks :) > The problem now is that 'Utilities updateFromServer' open a window to inform the user, waiting for the user to click on ok. In my case, I want to use such a method to update the image from a script (for example launched from hudson). But this 'inform' window stop the execution of the script > > > Once I incisted in putting DummyUIManager in core...I got it :) > see > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2069 > > not sure how to use it, thus. > > cheers > > Mariano > > 2010/9/1 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > soon obsolete :) > But for now ok :) > soon UpdateStreamer new updateFromServer > > > > Hello, > > > > Is there a 'magic' command to programmatically update and load the last version of a Pharo 1.2 core image? > > Ã§ > > > > Check Utilities updateFromServer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > <ATT00001..txt>

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Yang Nguyen, This reads as though you are responding to *me* as the MS junkie. For the record, I have been making the point that there are (generally superior) alternatives to MS software, and I never referred to "OpenOffice Basic." Please direct your advice to Friedrich Dominicus, who is either seeking it or perhaps just trolling. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Yang Ha Nguyen [cmpitg(a)gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:05 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports? On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 09:09:07AM +0200, Friedrich Dominicus wrote: >"Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: > >And let's be honest a second time. MS-Office is the Standard by any >means. Yes there is LaTex and yes there is OpenOffice but sorry if >anyone talks about Office Software they mean MS-Office. And we have to >admit that the MS-Office tools are extremly useful, especially Excel is >quite good at that spreadsheets can do ;-) > I don't think there is some one who is not honest in this topic. M$-Office is *popular* doesn't mean that it's the standard. Talking about office suite doesn't imply that it's the office suite from M$, except for the situation that you were grown in a M$'s dominated education system. What feature makes OpenOffice.org not useful? Except for just not being able to perfectly handle M$'s proprietary format? Have you ever used OpenOffice.org Calc for your own sake? >> >> OpenOffice has some type of (Java??) scripting interface. That might >> be a little better and perhaps even friendlier than MS' offerings and >> might then be induced to create .xls files. >Well VBA and Excel is well working, I doubt that OpenOffice Basic can >compete with it. > Oh, I didn't know that OpenOffice.org Basic is a spreadsheet software. I doubt I've ever heard of its name as an spreadsheet application. M$ Excel just works with its own closed source VBA version, my OpenOffice.org Calc works with VBA, Python, and Java scripting languages. I've never spent a lot of time writing and maintaining source code with Python as with VB. What makes it not a good competitor to M$ Excel? Best regards, -- Yang Nguyen Life is a hack _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] programmatically update a Pharo image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/9/1 Cyrille Delaunay <cy.delaunay(a)gmail.com> > Ok, thanks :) > The problem now is that 'Utilities updateFromServer' open a window to > inform the user, waiting for the user to click on ok. In my case, I want to > use such a method to update the image from a script (for example launched > from hudson). But this 'inform' window stop the execution of the script > > Once I incisted in putting DummyUIManager in core...I got it :) see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2069 not sure how to use it, thus. cheers Mariano > 2010/9/1 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > soon obsolete :) >> But for now ok :) >> soon UpdateStreamer new updateFromServer >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > Is there a 'magic' command to programmatically update and load the last >> version of a Pharo 1.2 core image? >> > Ã§ >> > >> > Check Utilities updateFromServer >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports? Lyx!

by Ralph Boland

I posted this earlier but never saw it show up. Apologies if it was posted but I didn't see it. > Tab-delimited text is very useful; I tend to see the world in terms of R (http://cran.r-project.org/) data frames, even when I do not > plan to involve R. HTML makes a nice way to scroll through data. As for connecting with OpenOffice or (I can't say it<g>), I find > LaTeX to be much nicer to use. It has a steep learning curve, but the view from near the top is pretty good. If you find LaTex has a steep learning curve I suggest you give Lyx a try. I write everything in either vi or Lyx. I use Linux but Lyx can also be found on Windows and Mac. By the way, when I write the external documentation (using Lyx of course) for Squeak/Pharo packages that I write where do I put this documentation? Regards, Ralph Boland -- Quantum Theory cannot save us from the tyranny of a deterministic universe but it does give God something to do

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] programmatically update a Pharo image

by Cyrille Delaunay

Ok, thanks :) The problem now is that 'Utilities updateFromServer' open a window to inform the user, waiting for the user to click on ok. In my case, I want to use such a method to update the image from a script (for example launched from hudson). But this 'inform' window stop the execution of the script 2010/9/1 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > soon obsolete :) > But for now ok :) > soon UpdateStreamer new updateFromServer > > > > Hello, > > > > Is there a 'magic' command to programmatically update and load the last > version of a Pharo 1.2 core image? > > Ã§ > > > > Check Utilities updateFromServer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

No argument that MS wants to kill COM in favor of .NET, and once they do that, they will churn the market again as soon as they can manage it - it's what they do. They've been sufficiently ineffective at it that the result is hardly "writing software over and over" but it is very annoying to watch working things break over time. These annoyances combined with the general merit of Linux distributions of late led me to make the switch. In short, you are preaching to the choir :) Let's be honest a third time :) Word is trash. Open Office Calc is really pretty good. Since you (wisely) distrust Microsoft, I find it strange that you are content to throw around the "Office is standard" mantra. True or not, there are alternatives (in the case of LaTeX, a paradigm shift from fussing with formatting to thinking about structure) and ways to have data in simple formats that will still be around long after Microsoft starts to kill off .NET's successor. You can set yourself up for more pain, or design for the minimum amount of Microsoft involvement that will solve your problems. There are some good options in this thread, or you can polish up your .NET compiler, while it still has time ;) Good luck! Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Friedrich Dominicus [frido(a)q-software-solutions.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:09 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports? "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: > If you must push into Excel (it's far easier to let it import from > text), you will be using Windows, and therefore could perhaps create > something with VBA. I'm usin VBA currently, the problem with it is that MS want to get away from it. And so I should probably long for something with .NET in it's name. But well if MS wants to get rid of it, one day we may stay in the rains as e.g the VB6 people have been treated. Sure currently MS is all just .NET (in whatever) shadow. But nobody knows how long, and let's be honest who likes to write the same software over and over and over again just because the development tools and/or languages were deprecated. And let's be honest a second time. MS-Office is the Standard by any means. Yes there is LaTex and yes there is OpenOffice but sorry if anyone talks about Office Software they mean MS-Office. And we have to admit that the MS-Office tools are extremly useful, especially Excel is quite good at that spreadsheets can do ;-) > > OpenOffice has some type of (Java??) scripting interface. That might > be a little better and perhaps even friendlier than MS' offerings and > might then be induced to create .xls files. Well VBA and Excel is well working, I doubt that OpenOffice Basic can compete with it. Regards Friedrich -- Q-Software Solutions GmbH; Sitz: Bruchsal; Registergericht: Mannheim Registriernummer: HRB232138; Geschaeftsfuehrer: Friedrich Dominicus _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports?

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi Friedrick, In Aida and specially Scribo CMS we now support the commercial Prince PDF generator (http://www.princexml.com) Prince converts HTML + CSS3 into nicelly formated printable documents, with page numbers, Table of contents with page numbers and such things, necessary for professionally looking documents, while reatining the original documents in strictly standard HTML/CSS format. Prince is developed with help of one of authors of CSS standard, so you can expect the true support as advertised. For less "professional" printing Aida supports the print CSS separation from screen CSS, so you can do quite good printouts with pure HTML/CSS, as much as web browsers printing support allows. That printing support is not very complete, but my company anyway print all our documents that way, from bills, letters etc, so it is good enough for most cases. If a customer really need better one, then you "scale" to Prince. Best regards Janko >> El mar, 31-08-2010 a las 08:13 +0200, Friedrich Dominicus escribiÃ³: >>> I'm working slowly through Seaside, Aida, Pharo etc. I just wonder what >>> you are using to make "usable" reports. (Be it in electronical form or >>> printed). A related question, how does you interface e.g to let's say >>> OpenOffice or maybe MS Office? -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] programmatically update a Pharo image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

soon obsolete :) But for now ok :) soon UpdateStreamer new updateFromServer > > Hello, > > Is there a 'magic' command to programmatically update and load the last version of a Pharo 1.2 core image? > Ã§ > > Check Utilities updateFromServer > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 1, 2010