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Re: [Pharo-project] Native (OS-level) windows

by Evgeniy Philippov

Well... I think I depart from the task. I rethinked my approach to programming languages, and concluded that at the very core concepts of the language, the Smalltalk is somewhat erratic in design. Yes it has a simplified conventions and syntax---but these don't matter much with regard to certain specific needs of programming---and I currently find that having overly flexible not very fundamental-minded interpretive semantics for if-then-else (as a random example) is counterproductive and flawed, since it gives an incorrect structure of the system. That's just an opinion---but yes, Smalltalk is an important step to the languages of the future. Best wishes to you all, Evgeniy P.S. Unsubscribing from this place of flowering of life :) Please reply privately, I am not at the list anymore. On 03/09/10 18:20, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi evgeniy > > We would love to see any progress in the direction of having feenestri working for Pharo now we do not have simply the task forces. > So if you do any changes in the system to help you in this task send the patches and changes so that life is easier for you and > we can get this done in the future. > > Stef > > On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Evgeniy Philippov wrote: > >> Hello folks and Todd Blanchard, >> >> I have three questions. First question is---what is the current status of Ffenestri, and where can I download some version of Pharo with the most up-to-date Ffenestri support? The second question is---what are the other Pharo OS-level windowing interfaces, and what is their status? And the last question is---what is more complete: Squeak's Ffenestri support, or Pharo's Ffenestri support? >> >> My intents. I plan to use some version of Squeak or Pharo system for my project (which is a hobby project), and I am mainly interested in OS-level windowing for Linux (Ubuntu) and to a lesser extent for Win32 too. I studied wxSqueak a bit, and concluded that Ffenestri is overall simpler to develop than wxSqueak, and guessed that Ffenestri moves/will move faster when considering the completeness of it, than wxSqueak. >> >> -- >> Evgeniy >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Experimental Cocoa OS-X based Squeak Cog JIT VM 5.8b7

by Ken G. Brown

Did a quick try of a fresh Squeak4.2-10382-alpha on your latest 5.8b7, MacPro OS X 10.6.4, NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics card Resizing the Squeak window still results in graphic artifacts that go away when stopped resizing. Tried 'Update Squeak', got 'Error: unmatched string quote' in scanner while processing update.nice.150.mcm and snapshotting methods. Open Monticello Browser from World menu. +Repository select HTTP, Accept. click 'Open', with http://www.squeaksource.com/ selected. Get 'Error: Could not access http://www.squeaksource.com/' http://www.squeaksource.com/ is accessible from Safari. Ken G. Brown At 6:25 PM -0700 9/2/10, John M McIntosh wrote: >Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-121-227271873; > protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 > >I've stuck a version (5.8b7) of the cocoa based os-x squeak cog JIT based VM in my experimental folder. >Please ensure drawing looks sane, and how it interacts with the mouse and keyboard seems viable. > >http://homepage.mac.com/johnmci/.Public/experimental/Squeak%205.8b7.app.zip > >I finished the open/GL tuning and based on benchmarking I simplified the explicit flush required when a >Smalltalk Morphic draw cycle fails to do a flush. Lastly I cross check the source code to ensure it compiles >correctly for the iOS platform. > >-- >=========================================================================== >John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 >Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com >=========================================================================== > > > > > >Attachment converted: MacProHD0:smime 764.p7s ( / ) (079FC4B2)

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [OSProcess] Proposal for Pharo 1.2 compatibility

by David T. Lewis

On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:03:31PM +0200, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: > Hello, > > I would suggest to replace the two methods > -------------------------------------------------------------- > OSPRocess class >> platformName > "After Squeak version 3.6, #platformName was moved to SmalltalkImage " > > ^ ((Smalltalk classNamed: 'SmalltalkImage') > ifNil: [^ Smalltalk platformName]) current platformName > > OSPRocess class >> osVersion > "After Squeak version 3.6, #osVersion was moved to SmalltalkImage " > > ^ ((Smalltalk classNamed: 'SmalltalkImage') > ifNil: [^ Smalltalk osVersion]) current osVersion > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > by: > ------------------------------------------------------------- > OSProcess class >> platformName > ^ ((Smalltalk classNamed: 'OSPlatform') > ifNil: [ > (Smalltalk classNamed: 'SmalltalkImage') current > ifNil: [^ Smalltalk platformName]]) platformName > > OSProcess class >> osVersion > ^ ((Smalltalk classNamed: 'OSPlatform') > ifNil: [ > (Smalltalk classNamed: 'SmalltalkImage') current > ifNil: [^ Smalltalk osVersion]]) osVersion > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > to avoid deprecation messages when using it in Pharo 1.2. Does it looks > good? I'm not able to publish on the squeaksource repository This failed on the first Pharo image that I tried, which was a Pharo-1.1-11400-rc2dev10.06.1 image. I think this is the subject of some recent refactoring, so I'm not sure if it's safe to use it yet (will somebody try to load OSProcess in one of the images that has OSPlatform but that does not yet have the #platformName refactoring?). I expect that there are several versions of Pharo in general circulation, so can someone give me some guidance as to whether it is safe to code for "OSPlatform current platformName" as the expected idiom on Pharo, or should we wait a while and live with the deprecation warnings? Thanks, Dave

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoKernel #12121

by Adrian Lienhard

I added a ticket: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2908 Cheers, Adrian On Sep 3, 2010, at 17:20 , Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ MartÃnez wrote: > El vie, 03-09-2010 a las 15:24 +0200, Adrian Lienhard escribiÃ³: >> On Sep 3, 2010, at 15:03 , Pavel Krivanek wrote: >> >>> 2010/9/3 Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com>: >>>> Could you explain why Text is not part of ui system? And why it should be in >>>> kernel? >>> >>> In fact some time ago I had a headless image without Text but it >>> needed a lot of modifications. Pharo can use text formatting for the >>> source codes. That is the main reason why Text should be in the >>> kernel. >> >> oh, shouldn't we better remove the text formatting in source code feature? >> >> I assume almost nobody uses it and it is more annoying than helpful (e.g., if I copy code from a mail, I never want to style my code). > > +1 > > It can be added as an external packege for development images later. > >> >> Adrian >> >> >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>>> 2010/9/3 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 2:11 PM, George Herolyants >>>>> <george.herolyants(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> 2010/9/3 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>>> It is headless image. You have to use start-up scripts. See the file >>>>>>> "build_image.sh". >>>>>> >>>>>> So, why do you need this one: >>>>>> >>>>>>> - Fonts need some refactorings. Some sort of AbstractFont only with >>>>>>> capabilities required only by Text class should be part of the kernel. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Because we need Text in the kernel and this class has ugly >>>>> dependencies on fonts. But this class does need only basic information >>>>> about used fonts like name, size etc. It is not the only problematic >>>>> part of the Text class. For example it is dependent on URLs. >>>>> >>>>> -- Pavel >>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Miguel CobÃ¡ > http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 3, 2010

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