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Re: [Pharo-project] NativeBoost and Cog. A working protype.
by Igor Stasenko
On 30 September 2010 11:18, Alberto Bacchelli <alberto.bacchelli(a)usi.ch> wrote:
> On 9/30/10 5:41 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>>
>> On 30 September 2010 06:20, Schwab,Wilhelm K<bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>
>> Â wrote:
>>>
>>> Sig,
>>>
>>> "A proper error handling is an important part of infrastructure-level
>>> project (such as NativeBoost), since then people who using it,
>>> can quickly determine what's wrong with their code."
>>>
>>> Well said!!!! Â Still working on that grant proposal; I'll be glad when
>>> it's submitted. Â Do you have any sense of when callbacks will be available?
>>> Â Please don't feel any pressure from me, because I have a lot to do before I
>>> can make proper use of them.
>>>
>>
>> I'd like to see someone, like you to start using it. And during it, i
>> can start receiving feedback
>> and so, NB could improve in quality and feature set :)
>> See, i did most stuff , what i would need , but apparently i could
>> miss something which may be userfull as well.
>
> I would be happy to try it, but I find the creation of the VM a bit
> difficult. Could you provide a cog VM with NativeBoost for linux? That would
> be awesome ;)
>
Frankly i din't yet tried to build Cog under Linux, and having no idea
how easy/hard to do that.
I am also, have no idea if there an automatic way to package a built
artifacts into some kind of package, like tarball.
But definitely, will do that soon.
> Alberto
>
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Best regards,
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
Sept. 30, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] NativeBoost and Cog. A working protype.
by Alberto Bacchelli
On 9/30/10 5:41 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> On 30 September 2010 06:20, Schwab,Wilhelm K<bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
>> Sig,
>>
>> "A proper error handling is an important part of infrastructure-level
>> project (such as NativeBoost), since then people who using it,
>> can quickly determine what's wrong with their code."
>>
>> Well said!!!! Still working on that grant proposal; I'll be glad when it's submitted. Do you have any sense of when callbacks will be available? Please don't feel any pressure from me, because I have a lot to do before I can make proper use of them.
>>
>
> I'd like to see someone, like you to start using it. And during it, i
> can start receiving feedback
> and so, NB could improve in quality and feature set :)
> See, i did most stuff , what i would need , but apparently i could
> miss something which may be userfull as well.
I would be happy to try it, but I find the creation of the VM a bit
difficult. Could you provide a cog VM with NativeBoost for linux? That
would be awesome ;)
Alberto
Sept. 30, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] About open lively community vs a closed, withdrawn group of programmers
by George Herolyants
I agree.
2010/9/30 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>:
> Right. And this is done by intent to keep you hooked, so vendor makes sure
> that there will be buyers of new product releases, because of 'this
> will be fixed in new version' motto.
>
> I think it is ok for end-user products, where you not expecting users
> to write own programs,
> but for development tools & libraries, i think this is unacceptable.
Sept. 30, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] TextLint questions and feedback
by Mariano Martinez Peck
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> Sorry, I forgot another bug. A piece of my latex is like this:
>
> \authorinfo{
> Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
> Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
> Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
> St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
> Luc Fabresse\affEMD
> }{
> $^1$RMoD Project-Team, Inria Lille--Nord Europe / Universit\'e Lille 1
> \\
> $^2$Universit\'e Lille Nord de France, Ecole des Mines de Douai
> }{marianopeck(a)gmail.com, \{stephane.ducasse,marcus.denker\}(a)inria.fr
> ,\\\{noury.bouraqadi,luc.fabresse\}(a)mines-douai.fr}
> \maketitle
>
>
> I don't know why...but once I saved the file, the image "frezzed" for a
> long time, and then, if finished and that part was replaced by this:
>
>
> \authorinfo{
> Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
> Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
> Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
> St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
> Luc Fabresse\affEMD
> }{
> $^1$RMoD Project-Team, Inria Lille--Nord Europe /
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Hi. TextLint is being used now even for non-smalltalkers :)
Here my coworker is using it for his papers. THe problem he had, is the same
as mine. Without trying to do it, we put accents characters like é or è or
things like that in the TextLint pane. I don't know why but TextLint starts
to loop and writes all those characters (for example Ãâì) a lot of times.
For example, the file of my friend, went to 5MB!!!
I know this is not TextLint fault, and probably Pharo, but avoiding this
would be great.
Cheers
Mariano
>
> So...it seems something related to encoding...but no idea...
>
> thanks
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> mariano
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> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi. First, please let me know if this is the correct place to talk about
>> TextLint. I've just used for one paper I am writing and I have some
>> questions/feedback. I am using the one click image.
>>
>> 1) The "An Rule" could be a little more smart and detects commands. For
>> example, in my latex I have " an \emph{inner object}" and that was detected
>> by the rule, althought I shouldn't. So...detecting the slash and ignore what
>> it surrounded by {} would be nice for this rule.
>>
>> 2) When I edit the code inside TextLint and I save it, two bad things
>> happens:
>> 2.a) I lost focus of the text, as it moves when it finishing saving.
>> The line I edited goes to the end of the text area. It would be great if
>> nothing moves nor to loose focus when saving.
>> 2.b) sometimes (I cannot reproduce) the order of the rules
>> changes...and this is not good because I was going in order, one by one, and
>> suddenly they are re-ordered. Maybe you are using a Set for that? using a
>> simple OrderedCollection could help.
>>
>> 3) If you edit the text (and it differs in the amount of characters), and
>> DO NOT save it, the following color highlighting are moved. It seems you
>> keep the position in the file, and until it is saved, rules results are
>> pointing to "unupdated" file. Of course, when I save the file, they are
>> correct. I guess this is from a performance point of view, but maybe you
>> have a little hack to do and make it better.
>>
>> 4) The rule "no white space before punctuation mark" showed me things I
>> didn't understand. For example, it says this line there is a "," (comma) :
>>
>> \item[ Shared object ] In the case of the \emph{shared objects}, it is
>> almost the same as in the \emph{inner objects}. An .....
>>
>> 5) Rules comments clearer. For example, when you say "Avoid using a lot,
>> it weakens the sentence" It would be better to put "Avoid using "a lot", it
>> weakens the sentence"
>> or "Avoid using *a lot*, it weakens the sentence"
>> or something to clearly mark the words not to use. Because sometimes the
>> words are confused with the context. Or this one:
>>
>> "After an only words beginning with a vowel are allowed. "
>> should be "After "an" only words beginning with a vowel are allowed."
>>
>> 6) For the rules of long sentences/paragraph it would be nice to ignore
>> \fotenote{}
>>
>> 7) Maybe this link is of interest for you:
>> http://matt.might.net/articles/shell-scripts-for-passive-voice-weasel-words…
>>
>> Apart from all these things, the tool is very useful and I like it.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Mariano
>>
>>
>>
>
Sept. 30, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] About open lively community vs a closed, withdrawn group of programmers
by Igor Stasenko
On 30 September 2010 10:32, George Herolyants
<george.herolyants(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/9/30 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>:
>> No, but we are working together towards improving our system.
>> This is what you can't have in .net and/or java where community don't
>> have a chance to participate in development
>> process, but have to wait till vendor release new version, and then
>> start using it.
>
> Yes. But it relates mostly to .NET because MS aggressively tries to
> substitute all the open source libraries with their own "standard"
> ones (XML, ORM, even unit testing!). But in Java world the situation
> is a bit different. While users can't affect the language itself, the
> community makes plenty of libraries just to compensate the poorness of
> the language. And Sun (now Oracle) does not bother itself with
> inventing their own.
>
> I think the difference between these communities and Smalltalk
> community results from the nature of Smalltalk language where you can
> implement some system functionality as a library, while in other
> lanugages this would require changes made by vendor in the core.
>
Right. And this is done by intent to keep you hooked, so vendor makes sure
that there will be buyers of new product releases, because of 'this
will be fixed in new version' motto.
I think it is ok for end-user products, where you not expecting users
to write own programs,
but for development tools & libraries, i think this is unacceptable.
>
> George
>
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Sept. 30, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] About open lively community vs a closed, withdrawn group of programmers
by Stéphane Ducasse
true !
>>>> No, but we are working together towards improving our system.
> This is what you can't have in .net and/or java where community don't
> have a chance to participate in development
> process, but have to wait till vendor release new version, and then
> start using it.
>
Sept. 30, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] some fixes of Undeclared
by Stéphane Ducasse
thanks!
Stef
On Sep 30, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I added issues 3016-3018 that fixes some Undeclared in latest Pharo 1.2. That makes Undeclared empty.
>
> Cheers
> -- Pavel
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Sept. 30, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] Period at end of message pattern ?
by Stéphane Ducasse
We should clean all these places. Now the problem is that if the compiler is sloppy then we may have to redo that several times.
So we should probably do that with opal (even if I do not like to postpone until it is there).
Stef
On Sep 30, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
> The Pharo compiler (even more for the Squeak one) accepts all kind of
> strange syntactic constructs. I remember having fixed the refactoring
> engine parser dozens of times in the past years to accommodate such
> abnormalities. And of course, there more code than you actually think
> that uses these constructs (mostly accidental).
>
> Btw, there is a Code Critics rule in Grease that finds the
> repeated/mis-placed dots in Smalltalk. In most other Smalltalk such
> code doesn't load.
>
> Lukas
>
>
> On 30 September 2010 05:46, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmm , whats wrong with period?
>> Its an empty nil-statement
>>
>> try evaluate:
>> .......................
>>
>> Of course, if such patter is then followed by temps declaration:
>>
>> foo.
>> | a b c |
>>
>> then this could lead to error.
>>
>> But message pattern with just period?
>> I don't feel its wrong.
>>
>> On 30 September 2010 06:00, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
>>> So that's a method that is empty except for ending in a period? That probably should be an error. If the point is to have the last line of a "real" method never end in a period, then I would have a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of James Ladd [james_ladd(a)hotmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:28 PM
>>> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr
>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] Period at end of message pattern ?
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> While filing in some sources form a friend into Redline Smalltalk the compiler generated an
>>> error on the following message pattern (method signature):
>>>
>>> initializeBetween: aPitcher and: aBatter events: aCollectionOfEvents.
>>>
>>> The error was the trailing period "."
>>>
>>> This is acceptable in Pharo but not in the Blue Book definition.
>>>
>>> I think it should be an error in Pharo as well. What do you think?
>>>
>>> Rgs, James.
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
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>
>
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Sept. 30, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] About open lively community vs a closed, withdrawn group of programmers
by George Herolyants
2010/9/30 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>:
> No, but we are working together towards improving our system.
> This is what you can't have in .net and/or java where community don't
> have a chance to participate in development
> process, but have to wait till vendor release new version, and then
> start using it.
Yes. But it relates mostly to .NET because MS aggressively tries to
substitute all the open source libraries with their own "standard"
ones (XML, ORM, even unit testing!). But in Java world the situation
is a bit different. While users can't affect the language itself, the
community makes plenty of libraries just to compensate the poorness of
the language. And Sun (now Oracle) does not bother itself with
inventing their own.
I think the difference between these communities and Smalltalk
community results from the nature of Smalltalk language where you can
implement some system functionality as a library, while in other
lanugages this would require changes made by vendor in the core.
George
Sept. 30, 2010
[Pharo-project] some fixes of Undeclared
by Pavel Krivanek
Hi,
I added issues 3016-3018 that fixes some Undeclared in latest Pharo 1.2.
That makes Undeclared empty.
Cheers
-- Pavel
Sept. 30, 2010