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Re: [Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

by Dimitris Chloupis

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:52 PM HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Then don't talk about democracy, because you weren't born at Ottoman > Empire nor Nazi occupation, and many of us actually were born and lived > under military dictatorship. > I am perplexed from your reply. First your logic makes zero sense for me. I am deeply touched by the pain embedded in the stories I read in books and personal witness accounts of several relatives that were present during Great Fire of Smyrna and the Nazi Occupation. My grandparents were "lucky" enough to suffer both and spared no details of the atrocities they witnessed. These stories have shaped my entire personal identity and guides me in life to respect and tolerate others. If i really needed to live in a non democratic regime to understand this then I would feel that I let these people down (which I so dearly love) and I could never imagine myself doing that. If you want to know I am hardcore supporter of democracy , especially direct technocratic (technology and science based) democracy. So your reply makes me smile more than frustrate me because of how far from the truth you really are. I was referring to Pharo and was definitely did not suggest to take arms and kill anyone who disagrees with us. As I already explained even in a democracy there is a chain of command and frankly a forum is a lousy way to exercise democratic leadership. Not all participate here and messages are about complains and questions not praise. So its a bad representation of the community feelings though a great way to exchange knowledge an help each other. Its much easier and efficient to have a central committee as Pharo has that makes these decisions obviously by taking into account the community and what the users really want. Also as I stated form the start I do not have a problem with making or not making the dark theme the default theme. What I do like however is that we have a leadership that take decisions without having to apologise for them. They try to do their best to make the community happy and I think they do a pretty good job at it. Taking into account how extremely popular dark themes really are. Do not worry you wont be hearing or reading about my political beliefs, here or anywhere, I rarely mention them. People find them hard to digest and I am not very diplomatic at presenting them, but I am working on it :) In any case I am not offended by your remarks, I know you mean well and you just used my message as a way to express your anger for things unrelated to me. I respect your anger and your pain and I hope you find the healing you deserve and a happy life.

April 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Then more respect for the word, because many people gave their life for it. 2017-04-21 7:52 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > in fact, Greece had a pretty hard dictatorship from '67 to '74 > > On 21 Apr 2017, at 12:40, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I think that 300 years of enslavement by the Ottoman Empire gave us (as a > nation) a pretty good idea , plus the Great Fire of Smyrna, plus Nazi > occupation etc. You assume too much. I was talking about Pharo by the way, > not politics. > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:32 PM HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < > hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2017-04-21 5:10 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> Resistance is futile >>> >>> You know what amazes me about this discussion ? >>> >>> The one thing that I find amazing is that we have like 58 messages >>> already , many of them complain about the dark theme and not one even >>> bothered posting a single screenshot demonstration all these "problems" , >>> just one . How hard it is to trigger a shortcut to capture an image so we >>> who love the dark theme can see why some people find it hard to use. >>> >>> And this is why I feel lucky that the deed is done and this is no >>> democracy.... very happy indeed :) >>> >>> >> You don't have ANY idea of how is to live without democracy. >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:48 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I see in 60467 that the deed is done. Okay, so moving forward... be >>>> prepared ;) for a surge of feedback as a bunch of us >>>> dark-theme-newbies start using it in earnest. I understand those that >>>> been using it a while already are obviously happy with how its tuned, >>>> and probably not many things can be accommodated, but there is one >>>> thing... >>>> >>>> Maybe its that its 1AM, or its my astigmatism, but my first impression >>>> was a shock at the high contrast pure-white-on-black text - for the >>>> World Menu and System Browser - to the degree that my eyes felt >>>> crosseyed. Particularly the title-bar-text was jarring. Dimming it >>>> slightly made it *much* easier to focus. Could >>>> dark-theme-connoisseurs try this out... >>>> >>>> Pharo3DarkTheme>>textColor >>>> ^ Color veryLightGray lighter >>>> >>>> >>>> And wow! That very bright green in TestRunner hurts. >>>> >>>> >>>> Other than that, so far it looks cool. >>>> >>>> cheers -ben >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Stephane Ducasse >>>> <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > For the mooc we have normally an image: it is called Pharo 50. >>>> > >>>> > S. >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Mark Bestley <news{(a)bestley.co.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > --001a113a8620c74f7a054d5aba55 >>>> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Not before IMMEDIATELY realizing that all screenshots containing >>>> the >>>> >> > white >>>> >> > theme are outdated and will IMMEDIATELY prefer the dark ones that >>>> will >>>> >> > have >>>> >> > an updated view of the Pharo GUI compared to a screenshot that has >>>> the >>>> >> > white theme and it's outdated by two or more years. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> No they will think it is for a different environment and waste time >>>> >> looking for a match. >>>> >> >>>> >> A beginner won't see that just that they cannot get the same answer >>>> as >>>> >> the mooc or documentation. >>>> >> >>>> >> They will look for a language where the documentation matches what >>>> they >>>> >> get as they don't know if the documentation or their code is wrong. >>>> (and >>>> >> probably cast aspersions on the quality of what they are using) >>>> >> >>>> >> > Updating the screenshots for PBE5 was a big pain and I am sure >>>> there are >>>> >> > ones that are left that are still outdated showing 1.4 , which is >>>> at >>>> >> > least >>>> >> > 6 years old. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Mark >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >

April 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

by Ben Coman

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You know what amazes me about this discussion ? > > not one even bothered posting > a single screenshot demonstration all these "problems" , just one . To rebut you, you haven't been paying attention :) :P https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19941/Dark-Theme-overlapped-title-bars-ne… cheers -ben

April 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

by Esteban Lorenzano

in fact, Greece had a pretty hard dictatorship from '67 to '74 > On 21 Apr 2017, at 12:40, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I think that 300 years of enslavement by the Ottoman Empire gave us (as a nation) a pretty good idea , plus the Great Fire of Smyrna, plus Nazi occupation etc. You assume too much. I was talking about Pharo by the way, not politics. > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:32 PM HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com <mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>> wrote: > 2017-04-21 5:10 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>>: > Resistance is futile > > You know what amazes me about this discussion ? > > The one thing that I find amazing is that we have like 58 messages already , many of them complain about the dark theme and not one even bothered posting a single screenshot demonstration all these "problems" , just one . How hard it is to trigger a shortcut to capture an image so we who love the dark theme can see why some people find it hard to use. > > And this is why I feel lucky that the deed is done and this is no democracy.... very happy indeed :) > > > You don't have ANY idea of how is to live without democracy. > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:48 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>> wrote: > I see in 60467 that the deed is done. Okay, so moving forward... be > prepared ;) for a surge of feedback as a bunch of us > dark-theme-newbies start using it in earnest. I understand those that > been using it a while already are obviously happy with how its tuned, > and probably not many things can be accommodated, but there is one > thing... > > Maybe its that its 1AM, or its my astigmatism, but my first impression > was a shock at the high contrast pure-white-on-black text - for the > World Menu and System Browser - to the degree that my eyes felt > crosseyed. Particularly the title-bar-text was jarring. Dimming it > slightly made it *much* easier to focus. Could > dark-theme-connoisseurs try this out... > > Pharo3DarkTheme>>textColor > ^ Color veryLightGray lighter > > > And wow! That very bright green in TestRunner hurts. > > > Other than that, so far it looks cool. > > cheers -ben > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Stephane Ducasse > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com <mailto:stepharo.self@gmail.com>> wrote: > > For the mooc we have normally an image: it is called Pharo 50. > > > > S. > > > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Mark Bestley <news{(a)bestley.co.uk <mailto:news%7B@bestley.co.uk>> wrote: > >> > >> Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > --001a113a8620c74f7a054d5aba55 > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> > > >> > Not before IMMEDIATELY realizing that all screenshots containing the > >> > white > >> > theme are outdated and will IMMEDIATELY prefer the dark ones that will > >> > have > >> > an updated view of the Pharo GUI compared to a screenshot that has the > >> > white theme and it's outdated by two or more years. > >> > > >> > >> No they will think it is for a different environment and waste time > >> looking for a match. > >> > >> A beginner won't see that just that they cannot get the same answer as > >> the mooc or documentation. > >> > >> They will look for a language where the documentation matches what they > >> get as they don't know if the documentation or their code is wrong. (and > >> probably cast aspersions on the quality of what they are using) > >> > >> > Updating the screenshots for PBE5 was a big pain and I am sure there are > >> > ones that are left that are still outdated showing 1.4 , which is at > >> > least > >> > 6 years old. > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Mark > >> > >> > > >

April 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Then don't talk about democracy, because you weren't born at Ottoman Empire nor Nazi occupation, and many of us actually were born and lived under military dictatorship. So next time think twice before putting a smile besides "no democracy". 2017-04-21 7:40 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > I think that 300 years of enslavement by the Ottoman Empire gave us (as a > nation) a pretty good idea , plus the Great Fire of Smyrna, plus Nazi > occupation etc. You assume too much. I was talking about Pharo by the way, > not politics. > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:32 PM HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < > hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2017-04-21 5:10 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> Resistance is futile >>> >>> You know what amazes me about this discussion ? >>> >>> The one thing that I find amazing is that we have like 58 messages >>> already , many of them complain about the dark theme and not one even >>> bothered posting a single screenshot demonstration all these "problems" , >>> just one . How hard it is to trigger a shortcut to capture an image so we >>> who love the dark theme can see why some people find it hard to use. >>> >>> And this is why I feel lucky that the deed is done and this is no >>> democracy.... very happy indeed :) >>> >>> >> You don't have ANY idea of how is to live without democracy. >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:48 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I see in 60467 that the deed is done. Okay, so moving forward... be >>>> prepared ;) for a surge of feedback as a bunch of us >>>> dark-theme-newbies start using it in earnest. I understand those that >>>> been using it a while already are obviously happy with how its tuned, >>>> and probably not many things can be accommodated, but there is one >>>> thing... >>>> >>>> Maybe its that its 1AM, or its my astigmatism, but my first impression >>>> was a shock at the high contrast pure-white-on-black text - for the >>>> World Menu and System Browser - to the degree that my eyes felt >>>> crosseyed. Particularly the title-bar-text was jarring. Dimming it >>>> slightly made it *much* easier to focus. Could >>>> dark-theme-connoisseurs try this out... >>>> >>>> Pharo3DarkTheme>>textColor >>>> ^ Color veryLightGray lighter >>>> >>>> >>>> And wow! That very bright green in TestRunner hurts. >>>> >>>> >>>> Other than that, so far it looks cool. >>>> >>>> cheers -ben >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Stephane Ducasse >>>> <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > For the mooc we have normally an image: it is called Pharo 50. >>>> > >>>> > S. >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Mark Bestley <news{(a)bestley.co.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > --001a113a8620c74f7a054d5aba55 >>>> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Not before IMMEDIATELY realizing that all screenshots containing >>>> the >>>> >> > white >>>> >> > theme are outdated and will IMMEDIATELY prefer the dark ones that >>>> will >>>> >> > have >>>> >> > an updated view of the Pharo GUI compared to a screenshot that has >>>> the >>>> >> > white theme and it's outdated by two or more years. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> No they will think it is for a different environment and waste time >>>> >> looking for a match. >>>> >> >>>> >> A beginner won't see that just that they cannot get the same answer >>>> as >>>> >> the mooc or documentation. >>>> >> >>>> >> They will look for a language where the documentation matches what >>>> they >>>> >> get as they don't know if the documentation or their code is wrong. >>>> (and >>>> >> probably cast aspersions on the quality of what they are using) >>>> >> >>>> >> > Updating the screenshots for PBE5 was a big pain and I am sure >>>> there are >>>> >> > ones that are left that are still outdated showing 1.4 , which is >>>> at >>>> >> > least >>>> >> > 6 years old. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Mark >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>>>

April 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

by Dimitris Chloupis

I think that 300 years of enslavement by the Ottoman Empire gave us (as a nation) a pretty good idea , plus the Great Fire of Smyrna, plus Nazi occupation etc. You assume too much. I was talking about Pharo by the way, not politics. On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:32 PM HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2017-04-21 5:10 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > >> Resistance is futile >> >> You know what amazes me about this discussion ? >> >> The one thing that I find amazing is that we have like 58 messages >> already , many of them complain about the dark theme and not one even >> bothered posting a single screenshot demonstration all these "problems" , >> just one . How hard it is to trigger a shortcut to capture an image so we >> who love the dark theme can see why some people find it hard to use. >> >> And this is why I feel lucky that the deed is done and this is no >> democracy.... very happy indeed :) >> >> > You don't have ANY idea of how is to live without democracy. > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > >> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:48 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> >>> I see in 60467 that the deed is done. Okay, so moving forward... be >>> prepared ;) for a surge of feedback as a bunch of us >>> dark-theme-newbies start using it in earnest. I understand those that >>> been using it a while already are obviously happy with how its tuned, >>> and probably not many things can be accommodated, but there is one >>> thing... >>> >>> Maybe its that its 1AM, or its my astigmatism, but my first impression >>> was a shock at the high contrast pure-white-on-black text - for the >>> World Menu and System Browser - to the degree that my eyes felt >>> crosseyed. Particularly the title-bar-text was jarring. Dimming it >>> slightly made it *much* easier to focus. Could >>> dark-theme-connoisseurs try this out... >>> >>> Pharo3DarkTheme>>textColor >>> ^ Color veryLightGray lighter >>> >>> >>> And wow! That very bright green in TestRunner hurts. >>> >>> >>> Other than that, so far it looks cool. >>> >>> cheers -ben >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Stephane Ducasse >>> <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > For the mooc we have normally an image: it is called Pharo 50. >>> > >>> > S. >>> > >>> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Mark Bestley <news{(a)bestley.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > --001a113a8620c74f7a054d5aba55 >>> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >> > >>> >> > Not before IMMEDIATELY realizing that all screenshots containing the >>> >> > white >>> >> > theme are outdated and will IMMEDIATELY prefer the dark ones that >>> will >>> >> > have >>> >> > an updated view of the Pharo GUI compared to a screenshot that has >>> the >>> >> > white theme and it's outdated by two or more years. >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> No they will think it is for a different environment and waste time >>> >> looking for a match. >>> >> >>> >> A beginner won't see that just that they cannot get the same answer as >>> >> the mooc or documentation. >>> >> >>> >> They will look for a language where the documentation matches what >>> they >>> >> get as they don't know if the documentation or their code is wrong. >>> (and >>> >> probably cast aspersions on the quality of what they are using) >>> >> >>> >> > Updating the screenshots for PBE5 was a big pain and I am sure >>> there are >>> >> > ones that are left that are still outdated showing 1.4 , which is at >>> >> > least >>> >> > 6 years old. >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Mark >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>>

April 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

2017-04-21 5:10 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > Resistance is futile > > You know what amazes me about this discussion ? > > The one thing that I find amazing is that we have like 58 messages already > , many of them complain about the dark theme and not one even bothered > posting a single screenshot demonstration all these "problems" , just one . > How hard it is to trigger a shortcut to capture an image so we who love the > dark theme can see why some people find it hard to use. > > And this is why I feel lucky that the deed is done and this is no > democracy.... very happy indeed :) > > You don't have ANY idea of how is to live without democracy. Cheers, HernÃ¡n > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:48 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > >> I see in 60467 that the deed is done. Okay, so moving forward... be >> prepared ;) for a surge of feedback as a bunch of us >> dark-theme-newbies start using it in earnest. I understand those that >> been using it a while already are obviously happy with how its tuned, >> and probably not many things can be accommodated, but there is one >> thing... >> >> Maybe its that its 1AM, or its my astigmatism, but my first impression >> was a shock at the high contrast pure-white-on-black text - for the >> World Menu and System Browser - to the degree that my eyes felt >> crosseyed. Particularly the title-bar-text was jarring. Dimming it >> slightly made it *much* easier to focus. Could >> dark-theme-connoisseurs try this out... >> >> Pharo3DarkTheme>>textColor >> ^ Color veryLightGray lighter >> >> >> And wow! That very bright green in TestRunner hurts. >> >> >> Other than that, so far it looks cool. >> >> cheers -ben >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Stephane Ducasse >> <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > For the mooc we have normally an image: it is called Pharo 50. >> > >> > S. >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Mark Bestley <news{(a)bestley.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > --001a113a8620c74f7a054d5aba55 >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> > >> >> > Not before IMMEDIATELY realizing that all screenshots containing the >> >> > white >> >> > theme are outdated and will IMMEDIATELY prefer the dark ones that >> will >> >> > have >> >> > an updated view of the Pharo GUI compared to a screenshot that has >> the >> >> > white theme and it's outdated by two or more years. >> >> > >> >> >> >> No they will think it is for a different environment and waste time >> >> looking for a match. >> >> >> >> A beginner won't see that just that they cannot get the same answer as >> >> the mooc or documentation. >> >> >> >> They will look for a language where the documentation matches what they >> >> get as they don't know if the documentation or their code is wrong. >> (and >> >> probably cast aspersions on the quality of what they are using) >> >> >> >> > Updating the screenshots for PBE5 was a big pain and I am sure there >> are >> >> > ones that are left that are still outdated showing 1.4 , which is at >> >> > least >> >> > 6 years old. >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> > >> >>

April 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

by Dimitris Chloupis

and I agree your method is easier on the eyes , though I would want it a bit brighter because I have many bright windows (unfortunately ) outside pharo window and they will steal my focus The lesson of this story.... Try Nireas or make your own custom theme. No theme will make you as happy as making your own theme and frankly its so easy. On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:10 AM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Resistance is futile > > You know what amazes me about this discussion ? > > The one thing that I find amazing is that we have like 58 messages already > , many of them complain about the dark theme and not one even bothered > posting a single screenshot demonstration all these "problems" , just one . > How hard it is to trigger a shortcut to capture an image so we who love the > dark theme can see why some people find it hard to use. > > And this is why I feel lucky that the deed is done and this is no > democracy.... very happy indeed :) > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:48 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > >> I see in 60467 that the deed is done. Okay, so moving forward... be >> prepared ;) for a surge of feedback as a bunch of us >> dark-theme-newbies start using it in earnest. I understand those that >> been using it a while already are obviously happy with how its tuned, >> and probably not many things can be accommodated, but there is one >> thing... >> >> Maybe its that its 1AM, or its my astigmatism, but my first impression >> was a shock at the high contrast pure-white-on-black text - for the >> World Menu and System Browser - to the degree that my eyes felt >> crosseyed. Particularly the title-bar-text was jarring. Dimming it >> slightly made it *much* easier to focus. Could >> dark-theme-connoisseurs try this out... >> >> Pharo3DarkTheme>>textColor >> ^ Color veryLightGray lighter >> >> >> And wow! That very bright green in TestRunner hurts. >> >> >> Other than that, so far it looks cool. >> >> cheers -ben >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Stephane Ducasse >> <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > For the mooc we have normally an image: it is called Pharo 50. >> > >> > S. >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Mark Bestley <news{(a)bestley.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > --001a113a8620c74f7a054d5aba55 >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> > >> >> > Not before IMMEDIATELY realizing that all screenshots containing the >> >> > white >> >> > theme are outdated and will IMMEDIATELY prefer the dark ones that >> will >> >> > have >> >> > an updated view of the Pharo GUI compared to a screenshot that has >> the >> >> > white theme and it's outdated by two or more years. >> >> > >> >> >> >> No they will think it is for a different environment and waste time >> >> looking for a match. >> >> >> >> A beginner won't see that just that they cannot get the same answer as >> >> the mooc or documentation. >> >> >> >> They will look for a language where the documentation matches what they >> >> get as they don't know if the documentation or their code is wrong. >> (and >> >> probably cast aspersions on the quality of what they are using) >> >> >> >> > Updating the screenshots for PBE5 was a big pain and I am sure there >> are >> >> > ones that are left that are still outdated showing 1.4 , which is at >> >> > least >> >> > 6 years old. >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> > >> >>

April 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

by Dimitris Chloupis

Resistance is futile You know what amazes me about this discussion ? The one thing that I find amazing is that we have like 58 messages already , many of them complain about the dark theme and not one even bothered posting a single screenshot demonstration all these "problems" , just one . How hard it is to trigger a shortcut to capture an image so we who love the dark theme can see why some people find it hard to use. And this is why I feel lucky that the deed is done and this is no democracy.... very happy indeed :) On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:48 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > I see in 60467 that the deed is done. Okay, so moving forward... be > prepared ;) for a surge of feedback as a bunch of us > dark-theme-newbies start using it in earnest. I understand those that > been using it a while already are obviously happy with how its tuned, > and probably not many things can be accommodated, but there is one > thing... > > Maybe its that its 1AM, or its my astigmatism, but my first impression > was a shock at the high contrast pure-white-on-black text - for the > World Menu and System Browser - to the degree that my eyes felt > crosseyed. Particularly the title-bar-text was jarring. Dimming it > slightly made it *much* easier to focus. Could > dark-theme-connoisseurs try this out... > > Pharo3DarkTheme>>textColor > ^ Color veryLightGray lighter > > > And wow! That very bright green in TestRunner hurts. > > > Other than that, so far it looks cool. > > cheers -ben > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Stephane Ducasse > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > For the mooc we have normally an image: it is called Pharo 50. > > > > S. > > > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Mark Bestley <news{(a)bestley.co.uk> > wrote: > >> > >> Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > --001a113a8620c74f7a054d5aba55 > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> > > >> > Not before IMMEDIATELY realizing that all screenshots containing the > >> > white > >> > theme are outdated and will IMMEDIATELY prefer the dark ones that will > >> > have > >> > an updated view of the Pharo GUI compared to a screenshot that has the > >> > white theme and it's outdated by two or more years. > >> > > >> > >> No they will think it is for a different environment and waste time > >> looking for a match. > >> > >> A beginner won't see that just that they cannot get the same answer as > >> the mooc or documentation. > >> > >> They will look for a language where the documentation matches what they > >> get as they don't know if the documentation or their code is wrong. (and > >> probably cast aspersions on the quality of what they are using) > >> > >> > Updating the screenshots for PBE5 was a big pain and I am sure there > are > >> > ones that are left that are still outdated showing 1.4 , which is at > >> > least > >> > 6 years old. > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Mark > >> > >> > > > >

April 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] #renameTo: and #moveTo:

by Alistair Grant

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 09:21:01PM +0200, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > 2017-04-20 9:53 GMT+02:00 Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com>: > > > What? Google this: man stat The first field of stat structure is > > a device ID, so deciding if two files are on same file system or > > not is doable by checking this field for the source file and > > destination file (if it exists) or directory - modulo the fact > > that you'd have to care of symbolic links with lstat. > > I meant from within the image. Also, while this is fine for > Linux, and probably for MacOS, what about Windows? > > Ah, so it's more a Squeak/Pharo VM problem than a unix problem ;) You > are right, there is a call to stat() in unix file plugin > > https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/blob/Cog/platforms/unix/p… > > but the device info is not passed back to the image... Too bad! But it should be a straightforward extension. I think I'll ask on vm-dev if anyone objects to me adding this extension. Thanks for pointing this out! Cheers, Alistair > As for windows, it's not a problem, there is a rename function that > would move files across devices (but not directories!) See rename() on > msdn https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/zw5t957f.aspx

April 21, 2017