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Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by Volkert

Am 28.06.2015 um 15:31 schrieb Peter UhnÃ¡k: > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Volkert > <volkert(a)komponentenwerkstatt.de > <mailto:volkert@komponentenwerkstatt.de>> wrote: > > Hey, that was fast. So looks if it is easily possible. Cool. > > Export to html is ok, export to svg has some glitches with cell > coloring. > > Would be best if you describe it further so Alex can look at it. I attached the exported svg of the matrix ... > > Peter, i do not understand, why "Mailsnake" must be unique? > > Because I flatten the matrix, thus there are two associations > "Mailsnake -> 2", and in RTGroup>>elementsFromModels: it internally > uses detect: so it would in all cases take the first association. > There are of course other ways how to do this, but this was the > simplest for me. > I see ... Thanks, Volkert > > > Volkert > > > > Am 28.06.2015 um 13:56 schrieb Peter UhnÃ¡k: >> Well if you want super-crude procedural prototype, I've made this >> http://ws.stfx.eu/MSUIRBAZKN2O >> >> >> âThe layouting is very, very ugly and could be probably be >> simplified with RTNest and RTCellLayout on the whole table, but I >> wanted to spend âas little time as possible (the whole code in >> ~30 minutes). >> You can read more about RTNest here >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31543901/AgileVisualization/Roassal/010… >> (section 5) (and all chapters are here >> http://agilevisualization.com/#book ) >> >> Also in your original picture there are boxes with rounded >> corners; Roassal doesn't support this yet (afaik), but I can send >> you implementation for it as I have it in my project. >> >> Peter >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi ! >> >> Yes, this is trivial I would say. >> This evening I will give a try >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> > Le 28 juin 2015 Ã 04:49, Volkert >> <volkert(a)komponentenwerkstatt.de >> <mailto:volkert@komponentenwerkstatt.de>> a Ã©crit : >> > >> > Dear all, >> > >> > is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? >> > >> > BW, >> > Volkert >> > >> > <Application Matrix> >> >> > >

June 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Volkert <volkert(a)komponentenwerkstatt.de> wrote: > Hey, that was fast. So looks if it is easily possible. Cool. > > Export to html is ok, export to svg has some glitches with cell coloring. > Would be best if you describe it further so Alex can look at it. > > Peter, i do not understand, why "Mailsnake" must be unique? > Because I flatten the matrix, thus there are two associations "Mailsnake -> 2", and in RTGroup>>elementsFromModels: it internally uses detect: so it would in all cases take the first association. There are of course other ways how to do this, but this was the simplest for me. > > > Volkert > > > > Am 28.06.2015 um 13:56 schrieb Peter UhnÃ¡k: > > Well if you want super-crude procedural prototype, I've made this > http://ws.stfx.eu/MSUIRBAZKN2O > > > âThe layouting is very, very ugly and could be probably be simplified with > RTNest and RTCellLayout on the whole table, but I wanted to spend âas > little time as possible (the whole code in ~30 minutes). > You can read more about RTNest here > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31543901/AgileVisualization/Roassal/010… > (section 5) (and all chapters are here http://agilevisualization.com/#book > ) > > Also in your original picture there are boxes with rounded corners; > Roassal doesn't support this yet (afaik), but I can send you implementation > for it as I have it in my project. > > Peter > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com > > wrote: > >> Hi ! >> >> Yes, this is trivial I would say. >> This evening I will give a try >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> > Le 28 juin 2015 Ã 04:49, Volkert <volkert(a)komponentenwerkstatt.de> a >> Ã©crit : >> > >> > Dear all, >> > >> > is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? >> > >> > BW, >> > Volkert >> > >> > <Application Matrix> >> >> > >

June 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by Volkert

Hey, that was fast. So looks if it is easily possible. Cool. Export to html is ok, export to svg has some glitches with cell coloring. Peter, i do not understand, why "Mailsnake" must be unique? Volkert Am 28.06.2015 um 13:56 schrieb Peter UhnÃ¡k: > Well if you want super-crude procedural prototype, I've made this > http://ws.stfx.eu/MSUIRBAZKN2O > > > âThe layouting is very, very ugly and could be probably be simplified > with RTNest and RTCellLayout on the whole table, but I wanted to > spend âas little time as possible (the whole code in ~30 minutes). > You can read more about RTNest here > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31543901/AgileVisualization/Roassal/010… > (section 5) (and all chapters are here > http://agilevisualization.com/#book ) > > Also in your original picture there are boxes with rounded corners; > Roassal doesn't support this yet (afaik), but I can send you > implementation for it as I have it in my project. > > Peter > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > > Hi ! > > Yes, this is trivial I would say. > This evening I will give a try > > Alexandre > > > > Le 28 juin 2015 Ã 04:49, Volkert > <volkert(a)komponentenwerkstatt.de > <mailto:volkert@komponentenwerkstatt.de>> a Ã©crit : > > > > Dear all, > > > > is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? > > > > BW, > > Volkert > > > > <Application Matrix> > >

June 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Well if you want super-crude procedural prototype, I've made this http://ws.stfx.eu/MSUIRBAZKN2O âThe layouting is very, very ugly and could be probably be simplified with RTNest and RTCellLayout on the whole table, but I wanted to spend âas little time as possible (the whole code in ~30 minutes). You can read more about RTNest here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31543901/AgileVisualization/Roassal/010… (section 5) (and all chapters are here http://agilevisualization.com/#book ) Also in your original picture there are boxes with rounded corners; Roassal doesn't support this yet (afaik), but I can send you implementation for it as I have it in my project. Peter On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi ! > > Yes, this is trivial I would say. > This evening I will give a try > > Alexandre > > > > Le 28 juin 2015 Ã 04:49, Volkert <volkert(a)komponentenwerkstatt.de> a > Ã©crit : > > > > Dear all, > > > > is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? > > > > BW, > > Volkert > > > > <Application Matrix> > >

June 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi ! Yes, this is trivial I would say. This evening I will give a try Alexandre > Le 28 juin 2015 Ã 04:49, Volkert <volkert(a)komponentenwerkstatt.de> a Ã©crit : > > Dear all, > > is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? > > BW, > Volkert > > <Application Matrix>

June 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by Volkert

Yes, i have a model and only want to visualize it. The elements on the X and Y-axis defining a frame where i can insert different elements. It should be possible to control coloring of the elements, depending on the state/rules. Interactivity only as currently supported with roassal (events, info popups, maybe simple menus) no drag & drop, no renaming, no adding, removing ... Volkert Am 28.06.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Peter UhnÃ¡k: > I think the question here is: do you have a model of this that you > just want to visualize, or do you want to build interactive > application where you can rename things, drag them around, add them, > delete them, and such? > If the former, then it's just a bunch of rectangles, labels, and a > cell layout, so it's quite simple. > If the latter, then it would require quite a lot of work... but it > gives me an idea... I'm working on a modeling platform and I think it > would be possible to implement it there... I'll have to think about it. > But right now using morphic would be a better solution for an app - > look at Stephan's DragPanels, I think it could be repurposed here. > http://forum.world.st/Ann-DragPanels-Floating-palette-windows-with-drag-and… > > Exporting the visualisation for web or as svg is also important > for me. > > Roassal supports svg exports. Even some limited interactivity on the > web. http://forum.world.st/Roassal-HTML-exporter-td4795564.html > > Peter > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Volkert > <volkert(a)komponentenwerkstatt.de > <mailto:volkert@komponentenwerkstatt.de>> wrote: > > for me it is not ui building ... > > I am using roassal already for many other things and i see not, > why it should not be possible to do this in roassal. > > Exporting the visualisation for web or as svg is also important > for me. > > It would be nice to use roassal here. > > Volkert > > > Am 28.06.2015 um 09:54 schrieb stepharo: > > You would have a better idea to develop it in plain morphic > because roassal is not done for doing that. > Morphic is perfect for such kind of design. > Roassal is for vsiauzalition not building UI. > > Stef > > > > Le 28/6/15 09:49, Volkert a Ã©crit : > > Dear all, > > is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? > > BW, > Volkert > > > > > >

June 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

I think the question here is: do you have a model of this that you just want to visualize, or do you want to build interactive application where you can rename things, drag them around, add them, delete them, and such? If the former, then it's just a bunch of rectangles, labels, and a cell layout, so it's quite simple. If the latter, then it would require quite a lot of work... but it gives me an idea... I'm working on a modeling platform and I think it would be possible to implement it there... I'll have to think about it. But right now using morphic would be a better solution for an app - look at Stephan's DragPanels, I think it could be repurposed here. http://forum.world.st/Ann-DragPanels-Floating-palette-windows-with-drag-and… Exporting the visualisation for web or as svg is also important for me. Roassal supports svg exports. Even some limited interactivity on the web. http://forum.world.st/Roassal-HTML-exporter-td4795564.html Peter On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Volkert <volkert(a)komponentenwerkstatt.de> wrote: > for me it is not ui building ... > > I am using roassal already for many other things and i see not, why it > should not be possible to do this in roassal. > > Exporting the visualisation for web or as svg is also important for me. > > It would be nice to use roassal here. > > Volkert > > > Am 28.06.2015 um 09:54 schrieb stepharo: > >> You would have a better idea to develop it in plain morphic because >> roassal is not done for doing that. >> Morphic is perfect for such kind of design. >> Roassal is for vsiauzalition not building UI. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> Le 28/6/15 09:49, Volkert a Ã©crit : >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? >>> >>> BW, >>> Volkert >>> >>> >> >> > >

June 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by Volkert

for me it is not ui building ... I am using roassal already for many other things and i see not, why it should not be possible to do this in roassal. Exporting the visualisation for web or as svg is also important for me. It would be nice to use roassal here. Volkert Am 28.06.2015 um 09:54 schrieb stepharo: > You would have a better idea to develop it in plain morphic because > roassal is not done for doing that. > Morphic is perfect for such kind of design. > Roassal is for vsiauzalition not building UI. > > Stef > > > > Le 28/6/15 09:49, Volkert a Ã©crit : >> Dear all, >> >> is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? >> >> BW, >> Volkert >> > >

June 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by stepharo

You would have a better idea to develop it in plain morphic because roassal is not done for doing that. Morphic is perfect for such kind of design. Roassal is for vsiauzalition not building UI. Stef Le 28/6/15 09:49, Volkert a Ã©crit : > Dear all, > > is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? > > BW, > Volkert >

June 28, 2015

Roassal2 / Application Matrix

by Volkert

Dear all, is such a visualization out of the box possible with Roassal2? BW, Volkert

June 28, 2015