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Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Esteban Lorenzano

ok, I fixed the issueâ¦ should be showing âCtrlâ now, and not âAltâ. Esteban > On 28 May 2015, at 20:37, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> wrote: > > Yes ctrl is more usual to save, copy etc. alt seems to be used to manipulate windows. > After using emacs for years, I cannot be disturbed by strange shortcuts anyway > > From: guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:30:25 +0000 > To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and unix. Ctrl. > > El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> escribiÃ³: > okâ¦ but we are using what? > alt or ctrl? > my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image): > > Ctrl + Shift + S > > or > > Alt + Shift + S > > and since we are there: What happens with linux? > > Esteban > > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr <mailto:franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr>> wrote: > > It depends, ahah. > To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch between windows it is alt + tab ... > But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for example, the cmd key does this meta key. > > As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no absolute rule for shortcuts > > Franck > > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 > To: nicolaihess(a)web.de <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > Iâm lost now. > Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? > > Esteban > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>> wrote: > > > > 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr <mailto:franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr>>: > I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : > > - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. > > this changed just recently > 15612 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15612> > ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. > > (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) > > > > - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) > > I will continue to find this kind of thing > > Cheers, > > Franck > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 > To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > > Hi, > > I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this issue: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621> > > basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way (and compatible with the platform). > > cheers, > Esteban

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] About "compileSilently"

by Nicolai Hess

2015-05-28 16:55 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > > > 2015-05-28 16:49 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de>: > >> How silent should "compileSilently" be? >> >> no trace in the system : >> 15314 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15314> >> compileSilently and method history / changes file >> >> not half silenlty >> 13023 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13023> >> Test Cases should not do things half silently >> >> not "SystemAnnouncer-silent" >> 10560 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10560> >> SystemAnnouncer and compileSilently >> >> >> ? >> >> What do you think, what granularity of "silent" do we need. >> I see at least three different use cases: >> >> - just an ordinary compile >> > > ? Silent means that: Core infrastructure is not updated properly (i.e. > RPackage) and tools (Browsers) can end desynchronised with the methods. > > >> - compile for tests >> > > Probably the one... But I wonder if this is a good idea anyway. I'd > believe most tests using silently are using it wrongly and shouldn't be > using it in the first place. > > >> - compile autogenerated methods. >> > > This one may not be silent. If the auto-generated method will be visible > (saved in a package, can be browsed, etc...) then it shouldn't be silent. > What about compiled method for which the source did not change? I am interested on this for issue 15315, everytime you open spotter, you'll get a new "method: PharoSyntaxTutorial divideTwoByZero; AutoGenTutorial 5/28/2015 20:34" in you changes file. Another case are autogenerated methods from NativeBoost. For example, open a fresh image and execute code that triggers NativeBoost to install native functions for this session. (EllipseMorph new openInSceneView) And now look at your list of recent changes. I get about 30 entries for athens/cairo methods. > > Thierry > > >> >> >> >> >> nicolai >> >> >

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Franck Warlouzet

Yes ctrl is more usual to save, copy etc. alt seems to be used to manipulate windows. After using emacs for years, I cannot be disturbed by strange shortcuts anyway From: guillermopolito(a)gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:30:25 +0000 To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and unix. Ctrl. El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: okâ¦ but we are using what?alt or ctrl?my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image): Ctrl + Shift + S or Alt + Shift + S and since we are there: What happens with linux? Esteban On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> wrote: It depends, ahah. To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch between windows it is alt + tab ... But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for example, the cmd key does this meta key. As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no absolute rule for shortcuts Franck From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 To: nicolaihess(a)web.de; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test Iâm lost now. Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? Esteban On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr>: I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. this changed just recently 15612ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) I will continue to find this kind of thing Cheers, Franck From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test Hi, I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way (and compatible with the platform). cheers, Esteban

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Guillermo Polito

Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and unix. Ctrl. El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano < estebanlm(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > okâ¦ but we are using what? > alt or ctrl? > my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image): > > Ctrl + Shift + S > > or > > Alt + Shift + S > > and since we are there: What happens with linux? > > Esteban > > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> > wrote: > > It depends, ahah. > To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch > between windows it is alt + tab ... > But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for > example, the cmd key does this meta key. > > As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no > absolute rule for shortcuts > > Franck > > ------------------------------ > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 > To: nicolaihess(a)web.de; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > Iâm lost now. > Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? > > Esteban > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr>: > > I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : > > - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, > or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. > > > this changed just recently > 15612 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15612> > ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. > > (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) > > > > > - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only > alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) > > I will continue to find this kind of thing > > Cheers, > > Franck > ------------------------------ > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 > To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > > Hi, > > I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this > issue: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 > > basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way > (and compatible with the platform). > > cheers, > Esteban > > >

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Esteban Lorenzano

okâ¦ but we are using what? alt or ctrl? my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image): Ctrl + Shift + S or Alt + Shift + S and since we are there: What happens with linux? Esteban > On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> wrote: > > It depends, ahah. > To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch between windows it is alt + tab ... > But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for example, the cmd key does this meta key. > > As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no absolute rule for shortcuts > > Franck > > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 > To: nicolaihess(a)web.de; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > Iâm lost now. > Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? > > Esteban > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>> wrote: > > > > 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr <mailto:franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr>>: > I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : > > - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. > > this changed just recently > 15612 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15612> > ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. > > (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) > > > > - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) > > I will continue to find this kind of thing > > Cheers, > > Franck > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 > To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > > Hi, > > I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this issue: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621> > > basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way (and compatible with the platform). > > cheers, > Esteban

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Guillermo Polito

But exactly those (the windows key, alt F4 and alt tab) are defined by the operating systems and never reach pharo :) El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:25 p. m., Franck Warlouzet < franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> escribiÃ³: > It depends, ahah. > To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch > between windows it is alt + tab ... > But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for > example, the cmd key does this meta key. > > As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no > absolute rule for shortcuts > > Franck > > ------------------------------ > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 > To: nicolaihess(a)web.de; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > > Iâm lost now. > Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? > > Esteban > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr>: > > I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : > > - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, > or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. > > > this changed just recently > 15612 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15612> > ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. > > (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) > > > > > - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only > alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) > > I will continue to find this kind of thing > > Cheers, > > Franck > ------------------------------ > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 > To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > > Hi, > > I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this > issue: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 > > basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way > (and compatible with the platform). > > cheers, > Esteban > > > >

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Franck Warlouzet

It depends, ahah. To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch between windows it is alt + tab ... But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for example, the cmd key does this meta key. As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no absolute rule for shortcuts Franck From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 To: nicolaihess(a)web.de; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test Iâm lost now. Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? Esteban On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr>: I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. this changed just recently 15612ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) I will continue to find this kind of thing Cheers, Franck From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test Hi, I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way (and compatible with the platform). cheers, Esteban

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Nicolai Hess

Currently, on Windows, the keymapping framework knows only two modifiers "ctrl" and "command" the windows key "alt" maps to "command" 2015-05-28 20:16 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > Iâm lost now. > Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? > > Esteban > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr>: > >> I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : >> >> - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, >> or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. >> > > this changed just recently > 15612 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15612> > ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. > > (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) > > > > >> - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is >> only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) >> >> I will continue to find this kind of thing >> >> Cheers, >> >> Franck >> ------------------------------ >> From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 >> To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >> Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test >> this issue: >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 >> >> basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear >> way (and compatible with the platform). >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> > > >

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Nicolai Hess

2015-05-28 19:59 GMT+02:00 Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com>: > For the alt + o + t it's maybe because we changes the shortcut today. This is a really bad change if you used to the old one. The old short cut for "open workspace" was alt+o+w. Now if you type alt+o+w it is recognized as alt+w which closes the active window. (But maybe I need just some time to get used to the new ones) > > Le jeudi 28 mai 2015, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> a > Ã©crit : > >> I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : >> >> - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, >> or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. >> - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is >> only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) >> >> I will continue to find this kind of thing >> >> Cheers, >> >> Franck >> ------------------------------ >> From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 >> To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >> Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test >> >> Hi, >> >> I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test >> this issue: >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 >> >> basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear >> way (and compatible with the platform). >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> > > > -- > Cheers > Cyril Ferlicot > >

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Guillermo Polito

Should be ctrl (one in windows almost never uses alt). But Nicolai said there was a bug in there. I didn't have the time to look into that yet. El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:17 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano < estebanlm(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > Iâm lost now. > Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? > > Esteban > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr>: > >> I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : >> >> - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, >> or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. >> > > this changed just recently > 15612 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15612> > ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. > > (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) > > > > >> - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is >> only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) >> >> I will continue to find this kind of thing >> >> Cheers, >> >> Franck >> ------------------------------ >> From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 >> To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >> Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test >> this issue: >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 >> >> basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear >> way (and compatible with the platform). >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> > > >

May 28, 2015