May 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cross platform key modifiers

by stepharo

I want cmd-k damien. and cmd-A and cmd-E :) Le 27/5/15 15:56, Damien Cassou a Ã©crit : > Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> I guess we should have a look how Emacs solve this keybinding issue >> regarding multiple platforms. > Emacs works really well in this regard and should be used as a > reference. If you have any specific question, I can have a look. >

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Cyril Ferlicot

We already have some issues about that, we just need to do the work. https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15289/GLMAction-should-use-PharoShortcut https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15619/cleanup-TextEditors-shortcut-defini… https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15585/We-need-to-clean-hard-code-shortcut… https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15582/MethodWidget-class-elementsMenu-hav… https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15292/GLMPopper-GLMPrintPopper-GLMWatcher… On 28 May 2015 at 21:25, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > well, along with this slice I opened: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15627 > > who âfixesâ the glamour issue. but it needs to be integrated so it will take > a couple of days more. > > hope with this at least the look of menus are normalised. > > after we need to work on removing old shortcuts and add them through > keybindings, then we can have a coherent shortcut set (one step at a time). > > Esteban > > > > > On 28 May 2015, at 21:19, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > (whoops accidentally sent that last post) > > and since we are there: What happens with linux? > > Esteban > > > Linux is the same as Windows. > > > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> > wrote: > To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch > between windows it is alt + tab ... > But there is also a meta key, the windows key. > > > This confuses the issue. :) From Pharo's perspective, the windows-key > does not exist. I really believe the windows-key should *not* be > considered a meta-key, and some call it the super-key. > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > Currently, on Windows, the keymapping framework knows only two modifiers > "ctrl" and "command" the windows key "alt" maps to "command" > > 2015-05-28 20:16 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > > Iâm lost now. > Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? > > Esteban > > > Note that he said *currently* , not that it was correct. Indeed it is > wrong per platform conventions. Observe all the PharoShortcuts saying > for example... > ^ $b command mac | $b ctrl win | $b ctrl unix > > That is... > Linux/Windows meta-key = Ctrl. > OSX meta-key = Cmd > > Alt should remain Alt and be equivalent to Option on osx, but it > seems on Windows that somewhere low level the Alt key *becomes* a Cmd > key. This needs to be killed. > > > > Hi, > > I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test > this issue: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 > > basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear > way (and compatible with the platform). > > cheers, > Esteban > > > Thanks for doing this. It might be a bit bumpy road but really needs > to be done. > Now my opinion is based on previously being a long term Windows Pharo > user, but right now I need to find a Windows machine to assist. > cheers -ben > > -- Cheers Cyril Ferlicot

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Esteban Lorenzano

well, along with this slice I opened: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15627 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15627> who âfixesâ the glamour issue. but it needs to be integrated so it will take a couple of days more. hope with this at least the look of menus are normalised. after we need to work on removing old shortcuts and add them through keybindings, then we can have a coherent shortcut set (one step at a time). Esteban > On 28 May 2015, at 21:19, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > (whoops accidentally sent that last post) > >>> and since we are there: What happens with linux? >>> >>> Esteban > > Linux is the same as Windows. > >>> >>> >>> On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> >>> wrote: >>> To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch >>> between windows it is alt + tab ... >>> But there is also a meta key, the windows key. > > This confuses the issue. :) From Pharo's perspective, the windows-key > does not exist. I really believe the windows-key should *not* be > considered a meta-key, and some call it the super-key. > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: >> Currently, on Windows, the keymapping framework knows only two modifiers >> "ctrl" and "command" the windows key "alt" maps to "command" >> >> 2015-05-28 20:16 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> Iâm lost now. >>> Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? >>> >>> Esteban > > Note that he said *currently* , not that it was correct. Indeed it is > wrong per platform conventions. Observe all the PharoShortcuts saying > for example... > ^ $b command mac | $b ctrl win | $b ctrl unix > > That is... > Linux/Windows meta-key = Ctrl. > OSX meta-key = Cmd > > Alt should remain Alt and be equivalent to Option on osx, but it > seems on Windows that somewhere low level the Alt key *becomes* a Cmd > key. This needs to be killed. > >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test >>>> this issue: >>>> >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 >>>> >>>> basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear >>>> way (and compatible with the platform). >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> Esteban > > Thanks for doing this. It might be a bit bumpy road but really needs > to be done. > Now my opinion is based on previously being a long term Windows Pharo > user, but right now I need to find a Windows machine to assist. > cheers -ben >

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Ben Coman

(whoops accidentally sent that last post) >> and since we are there: What happens with linux? >> >> Esteban Linux is the same as Windows. >> >> >> On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> >> wrote: >> To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch >> between windows it is alt + tab ... >> But there is also a meta key, the windows key. This confuses the issue. :) From Pharo's perspective, the windows-key does not exist. I really believe the windows-key should *not* be considered a meta-key, and some call it the super-key. On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > Currently, on Windows, the keymapping framework knows only two modifiers > "ctrl" and "command" the windows key "alt" maps to "command" > > 2015-05-28 20:16 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >> Iâm lost now. >> Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? >> >> Esteban Note that he said *currently* , not that it was correct. Indeed it is wrong per platform conventions. Observe all the PharoShortcuts saying for example... ^ $b command mac | $b ctrl win | $b ctrl unix That is... Linux/Windows meta-key = Ctrl. OSX meta-key = Cmd Alt should remain Alt and be equivalent to Option on osx, but it seems on Windows that somewhere low level the Alt key *becomes* a Cmd key. This needs to be killed. >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test >>> this issue: >>> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 >>> >>> basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear >>> way (and compatible with the platform). >>> >>> cheers, >>> Esteban Thanks for doing this. It might be a bit bumpy road but really needs to be done. Now my opinion is based on previously being a long term Windows Pharo user, but right now I need to find a Windows machine to assist. cheers -ben

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Ben Coman

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and > unix. Ctrl. +1 > El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano > <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: >> >> okâ¦ but we are using what? >> alt or ctrl? >> my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image): >> >> Ctrl + Shift + S >> >> or >> >> Alt + Shift + S >> >> and since we are there: What happens with linux? >> >> Esteban >> >> >> On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> >> wrote: >> >> It depends, ahah. >> To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch >> between windows it is alt + tab ... >> But there is also a meta key, the windows key. This confuses the issue. From Pharo's perspective, the windows-key does not exist. I really believe the windows-key should *not* be considered a meta-key, and some call it the super-key. >>With a mac keyboard for example, the cmd key does this meta key. On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > Currently, on Windows, the keymapping framework knows only two modifiers > "ctrl" and "command" the windows key "alt" maps to "command" >> From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 >> To: nicolaihess(a)web.de; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test >> >> Iâm lost now. >> Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? >> >> Esteban >> >> On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr>: >> >> I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : >> >> - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, >> or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. >> >> >> this changed just recently >> 15612 >> ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. >> >> (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) >> >> >> >> >> - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only >> alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) >> >> I will continue to find this kind of thing >> >> Cheers, >> >> Franck >> ________________________________ >> From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 >> To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >> Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this >> issue: >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 >> >> basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way >> (and compatible with the platform). >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> >> >

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] About "compileSilently"

by Thierry Goubier

Le 28/05/2015 20:40, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > > > 2015-05-28 16:55 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: > > > > 2015-05-28 16:49 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de > <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>>: > > How silent should "compileSilently" be? > > no trace in the system : > 15314 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15314> > compileSilently and method history / changes file > > not half silenlty > 13023 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13023> > Test Cases should not do things half silently > > not "SystemAnnouncer-silent" > 10560 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10560> > SystemAnnouncer and compileSilently > > > ? > > What do you think, what granularity of "silent" do we need. > I see at least three different use cases: > > - just an ordinary compile > > > ? Silent means that: Core infrastructure is not updated properly > (i.e. RPackage) and tools (Browsers) can end desynchronised with the > methods. > > - compile for tests > > > Probably the one... But I wonder if this is a good idea anyway. I'd > believe most tests using silently are using it wrongly and shouldn't > be using it in the first place. > > - compile autogenerated methods. > > > This one may not be silent. If the auto-generated method will be > visible (saved in a package, can be browsed, etc...) then it > shouldn't be silent. > > > > What about compiled method for which the source did not change? Hum. I see what you mean. I do silent compilation when I install tracing probes inside methods, to make sure they don't appear as changed in browsers... But I don't create new methods. I guess this will be the same with the MetaLinks Marcus is preparing. But, yes, as I said: methods or changes that are not visible then you can make them silent. But in a different case, such as compiling a SmaCC parser, you want that code to be visible. > I am interested on this for issue 15315, everytime you open spotter, > you'll get a new > > "method: PharoSyntaxTutorial divideTwoByZero; AutoGenTutorial 5/28/2015 > 20:34" > > in you changes file. This one makes for some annoying noise in the changes. But as I say below, maybe it doesn't matter. > Another case are autogenerated methods from NativeBoost. > For example, open a fresh image and execute code that triggers > NativeBoost to install native functions for this session. > (EllipseMorph new openInSceneView) > > And now look at your list of recent changes. > I get about 30 entries for athens/cairo methods. One of the thing to consider is what you use the changes for. If it is to recover from crashes, then what you just need to make sure is that replaying all since the last save is ok... even if you have multiple times the same method source saved in it. True changes management is happening in the packages these days, and most code written in the changes shouldn't be recorded there imho (oh, well, apart for the source pointer, of course). And other uses it could have (recording all do its, for example) is reimplemented / duplicated elsewhere in the system anyway. Thierry

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Cyril Ferlicot

Glamour for now doesn't have the same system of Shortcuts as Pharo. I already opened an Issue about that. And for the ctrl + o + w and ctrl + w it's not a problem with windows/linux shortcut because we already had cmd + o + w and cmd + w on Mac an nobody complained about it. The use of ctrl is just a way to unify shortcuts because for now it's a little "everyone does what he want". And I don't think someone want to create and maintain 1 system of shortcuts for windows, on system for linux, on system for mac. On 28 May 2015 at 20:48, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> wrote: > Yes it does. > > Franck > > ________________________________ > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:41:13 +0200 > > To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > ok, I fixed the issueâ¦ should be showing âCtrlâ now, and not âAltâ. > > Esteban > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:37, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> > wrote: > > Yes ctrl is more usual to save, copy etc. alt seems to be used to manipulate > windows. > After using emacs for years, I cannot be disturbed by strange shortcuts > anyway > > ________________________________ > From: guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:30:25 +0000 > To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and > unix. Ctrl. > > El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano > <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > > okâ¦ but we are using what? > alt or ctrl? > my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image): > > Ctrl + Shift + S > > or > > Alt + Shift + S > > and since we are there: What happens with linux? > > Esteban > > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> > wrote: > > It depends, ahah. > To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch > between windows it is alt + tab ... > But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for > example, the cmd key does this meta key. > > As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no absolute > rule for shortcuts > > Franck > > ________________________________ > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 > To: nicolaihess(a)web.de; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > Iâm lost now. > Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? > > Esteban > > On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr>: > > I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : > > - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or > B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. > > > this changed just recently > 15612 > ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. > > (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) > > > > > - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only > alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) > > I will continue to find this kind of thing > > Cheers, > > Franck > ________________________________ > From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 > To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test > > > Hi, > > I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this > issue: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 > > basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way > (and compatible with the platform). > > cheers, > Esteban > > -- Cheers Cyril Ferlicot

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Franck Warlouzet

Yes it does. Franck From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:41:13 +0200 To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test ok, I fixed the issueâ¦ should be showing âCtrlâ now, and not âAltâ. Esteban On 28 May 2015, at 20:37, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> wrote:Yes ctrl is more usual to save, copy etc. alt seems to be used to manipulate windows. After using emacs for years, I cannot be disturbed by strange shortcuts anyway From: guillermopolito(a)gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:30:25 +0000 To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and unix. Ctrl. El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: okâ¦ but we are using what?alt or ctrl?my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image): Ctrl + Shift + S or Alt + Shift + S and since we are there: What happens with linux? Esteban On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> wrote: It depends, ahah. To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch between windows it is alt + tab ... But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for example, the cmd key does this meta key. As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no absolute rule for shortcuts Franck From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 To: nicolaihess(a)web.de; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test Iâm lost now. Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? Esteban On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr>: I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. this changed just recently 15612ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) I will continue to find this kind of thing Cheers, Franck From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test Hi, I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way (and compatible with the platform). cheers, Esteban

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

by Esteban Lorenzano

but now there is a problem in glamour, because it is using Alt and not Ctrlâ¦ thatâs another problem, and has to be solved with another slice (bah, a configuration now) :) Esteban > On 28 May 2015, at 20:41, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > ok, I fixed the issueâ¦ should be showing âCtrlâ now, and not âAltâ. > > Esteban > >> On 28 May 2015, at 20:37, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr <mailto:franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr>> wrote: >> >> Yes ctrl is more usual to save, copy etc. alt seems to be used to manipulate windows. >> After using emacs for years, I cannot be disturbed by strange shortcuts anyway >> >> From: guillermopolito(a)gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com> >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:30:25 +0000 >> To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test >> >> Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and unix. Ctrl. >> >> El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> escribiÃ³: >> okâ¦ but we are using what? >> alt or ctrl? >> my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image): >> >> Ctrl + Shift + S >> >> or >> >> Alt + Shift + S >> >> and since we are there: What happens with linux? >> >> Esteban >> >> >> On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr <mailto:franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr>> wrote: >> >> It depends, ahah. >> To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch between windows it is alt + tab ... >> But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for example, the cmd key does this meta key. >> >> As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no absolute rule for shortcuts >> >> Franck >> >> From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com> >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200 >> To: nicolaihess(a)web.de <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>; pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test >> >> Iâm lost now. >> Which one is the âmetaâ key in windows? Alt or Ctrl? >> >> Esteban >> >> On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr <mailto:franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr>>: >> I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things : >> >> - To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually. >> >> this changed just recently >> 15612 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15612> >> ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut. >> >> (pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list)) >> >> >> >> - Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text) >> >> I will continue to find this kind of thing >> >> Cheers, >> >> Franck >> From: estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com> >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200 >> To: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >> Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this issue: >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621> >> >> basically, it normalises all menu shortcut outputâ¦ in a long but clear way (and compatible with the platform). >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >

May 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is there an official JSON parser/writer?

by Stephan Eggermont

On 28-05-15 16:42, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > 2015-05-28 3:41 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: >>> The problem is no JSON parser is bundled by default, so adding the >>> dependency to either class is arbitrary. >> Why declaring a dependency would be a bad idea. >> You use then declare it! > > I didn't say "bad", I said "arbitrary". :) > > Otherwise I'm establishing a personal preference of a particular > library, that isn't directly replaceable by other of the user > preference. I like to provide a reasonable default, but keep options > open. :) Well, we know how to do groups and a compatibility layer... It's just that we would want a CI build for every group. Stepham

May 28, 2015