March 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] new link to query all projects in smalltalkhub

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 10 Mar 2015, at 11:58, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Cool. > > Would be nice with the description as well. Will avoid clicking around. yes, I thought it too, but descriptions are sometimes very longâ¦ it would be too much. > > Phil >

March 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] valid name for an instance variable?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 10 Mar 2015, at 08:25, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > 2015-03-09 22:09 GMT+01:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > Marcus Denker-4 wrote > >> is x: (with colon) a valid inst var name ? > > no. > > Why complicate the system by special-handling illegal variable names? Just > let the incorrect x: become the just-as-incorrect x::, no? Or am I missing > something? > > No it is not about handling illegal variable names. > The question is, what should #name: asMutator return > 1. #name: because it is already a mutator > 2. #name:: because it might be the mutator for variable "name:" > > (2) is how it actually behaves, but because "name:" is not a valid instance variable name, > returning #name:: does not makes sense, so I choose option (1). +1 > nicolai > > > > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/valid-name-for-an-instance-variable-tp4810632p4810780… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

March 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] new link to query all projects in smalltalkhub

by phil＠highoctane.be

Cool. Would be nice with the description as well. Will avoid clicking around. Phil

March 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] latest GTools settings

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 09 Mar 2015, at 18:21, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for integrating :) > > If settings are just in the Settings Browser very few people will go there and enable them. > (Even if I use Pharo a lot I'm still not aware of most settings that I can set in the Settings Browser) > Also always showing pop-ups to tell you that you can share enable sending of usage data is kind of annoying. > Adding a settings button in the toolbar of spotter seemed like a good compromised. > > Agree/disagree? :) disagree :) here the reason: everybody can think their settings deserve better exposition, and then add a way to change the L&F to add a settings option. that will break inner coherence of Pharo. and we need to think *all tools* in pharo as one unique IDEâ¦ it has to be coherent. your little cog breaks coherence. I admit we need to do a pass on Settings browser to group better, explain better and remove unnecessary stuffâ¦ maybe on Pharo5 we will find the time. In the mean time, even without this argument (which I believe is already enough): giving such relevance to an option you will use just once is not good GUI design, sorry :) Esteban > > Cheers, > Andrei > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> On 09 Mar 2015, at 17:13, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: >> >> We want to add them to the settings window as well. > > is the âas wellâ part what does not convinces me: it goes *just* in the settings window, I think :P > > >> >> Doru >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Soâ¦ I integrated latest GTools. >> I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have nowâ¦ I understand you want to collect usage, etcâ¦ but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ. >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > >

March 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] valid name for an instance variable?

by Sean P. DeNigris

> The question is, what should #name: asMutator return > 1. #name: because it is already a mutator > 2. #name:: because it might be the mutator for variable "name:" Oh, got it. Thanks for the explanation :) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/valid-name-for-an-instance-variable-tp4810632p4810883… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 10, 2015

new link to query all projects in smalltalkhub

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, You can now look at http://smalltalkhub.com/projectList <http://smalltalkhub.com/projectList> to query all public smalltalkhub projects. is an âold styleâ web pageâ¦ so do not expect too muchâ¦ but at least you can see what is around :) enjoy, Esteban

March 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: RE: [Pharo-users] Porting Voss to Pharo

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:06 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi Stef, > > Please see http://voss.logicarts.com/licensing > > That link clearly shows its a GPL license, not LGPL - so the whole of any application based on it will need to be GPL. cheers -ben > I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say anything about the interpretation of GPLv3, > except to comment without prejudice: As it is a complex subject, my intention was that users may prefer to negotiate a > commercial licence with technical support, which may well be cheaper than the alternative legal services. I'm open to > suggestions and negotiation, but I do need to monetise my time and effort - nobody paid me to write VOSS. > > Regards, > John > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: stepharo [mailto:stepharo@free.fr <stepharo(a)free.fr>] > >Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 8:57 AM > >To: Any question about pharo is welcome; jc(a)logicarts.com > >Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Porting Voss to Pharo > > > >I think that the author of voss should reply. > > > >Stef > > > >Le 6/3/15 23:07, Stephan Eggermont a crit : > >> On 06/03/15 16:16, stepharo wrote: > >>> Hi guys > >>> > >>> if some of you are interested to drive porting VOSS to Pharo, let me > >>> know John sent me the code and I can give it to you. > >>> There is a dual license > >>> - LGPL > >>> - commercial > >> > >> What does LGPL mean for VOSS? At FOSDEM I talked with Bradley Kuhn of > >> the FSF. It is something that has been on their to do list for a while > >> now. In the 'strict' interpretation it is as viral as GPL for > >> smalltalk code. > >> > >> Stephan > >> > > > > >

March 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: RE: [Pharo-users] Porting Voss to Pharo

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:06 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stef, > > Please see http://voss.logicarts.com/licensing I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say anything about the interpretation of GPLv3, > except to comment without prejudice: As it is a complex subject, my intention was that users may prefer to negotiate a > commercial licence with technical support, which may well be cheaper than the alternative legal services. I'm open to > suggestions and negotiation, but I do need to monetise my time and effort - nobody paid me to write VOSS. > > Regards, > John > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: stepharo [mailto:stepharo@free.fr <stepharo(a)free.fr>] > >Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 8:57 AM > >To: Any question about pharo is welcome; jc(a)logicarts.com > >Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Porting Voss to Pharo > > > >I think that the author of voss should reply. > > > >Stef > > > >Le 6/3/15 23:07, Stephan Eggermont a crit : > >> On 06/03/15 16:16, stepharo wrote: > >>> Hi guys > >>> > >>> if some of you are interested to drive porting VOSS to Pharo, let me > >>> know John sent me the code and I can give it to you. > >>> There is a dual license > >>> - LGPL > >>> - commercial > >> > >> What does LGPL mean for VOSS? At FOSDEM I talked with Bradley Kuhn of > >> the FSF. It is something that has been on their to do list for a while > >> now. In the 'strict' interpretation it is as viral as GPL for > >> smalltalk code. > >> > >> Stephan > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >______________________________________________ > >This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > >http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > >

March 10, 2015

Pharo code of conduct?

by Christophe Demarey

Hello, We got some threads around the best way to work / communicate between ourselves. We are not the only ones concerned! Take a look at: http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-adopts-conflict-resolution-code/ http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct I really like the ubuntu code of conduct. We could adopt one for Pharo: 1/ to always keep the fun 2/ to describe how works the Pharo community to newcomers. Christophe.

March 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] valid name for an instance variable?

by Nicolai Hess

2015-03-09 22:09 GMT+01:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > Marcus Denker-4 wrote > >> is x: (with colon) a valid inst var name ? > > no. > > Why complicate the system by special-handling illegal variable names? Just > let the incorrect x: become the just-as-incorrect x::, no? Or am I missing > something? > No it is not about handling illegal variable names. The question is, what should #name: asMutator return 1. #name: because it is already a mutator 2. #name:: because it might be the mutator for variable "name:" (2) is how it actually behaves, but because "name:" is not a valid instance variable name, returning #name:: does not makes sense, so I choose option (1). nicolai > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/valid-name-for-an-instance-variable-tp4810632p4810780… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

March 10, 2015