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Re: [Pharo-dev] Case 16725: why no reaction?

by webwarrior

Split into subissues; 2 of them are ready, another 2 need discussion On 02.11.2015 18:30, Peter UhnÃ¡k [via Smalltalk] wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:31 PM, stepharo <[hidden email] > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4858985&i=0>> wrote: > > Benjamin forced us to react and the Inria lawyers did their job. > Then he wrote this funny sentence. > I asked the inria laywers to stay calm when they saw this sentence. > You know they laugh one minute > and after they want to attack. So I would ignore anything related to > Benjamin because the spirit is not > positive. > > I would focus on the current spec issues in Pharo and see step by > step how we can address them. > If we propose the same solution that in the Spec git repo then it > will be a coincidence. > > > So ideally we should open separate issue for each of the things you want > to integrate and resolve them one at a time. > Several smaller issues are more manageable than one big "integrate X > things" issue. > And close the original one, or add the new ones as subissues. > > Peter > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://forum.world.st/Case-16725-why-no-reaction-tp4858968p4858985.html > To unsubscribe from Case 16725: why no reaction?, click here > <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…>. > NAML > <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Case-16725-why-no-reaction-tp4858968p4859035.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 2, 2015

Pharo support in pkgsrc?

by David S. Alessio

Hello, Is anyone aware of any effort to port Pharo to pkgsrc? pkgsrc already supports Squeak, and if I'm not mistaken, cog, but not Pharo. Cheers Sent from my iPad

Nov. 2, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Case 16725: why no reaction?

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:31 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Benjamin forced us to react and the Inria lawyers did their job. Then he > wrote this funny sentence. > I asked the inria laywers to stay calm when they saw this sentence. You > know they laugh one minute > and after they want to attack. So I would ignore anything related to > Benjamin because the spirit is not > positive. > > I would focus on the current spec issues in Pharo and see step by step how > we can address them. > If we propose the same solution that in the Spec git repo then it will be > a coincidence. > So ideally we should open separate issue for each of the things you want to integrate and resolve them one at a time. Several smaller issues are more manageable than one big "integrate X things" issue. And close the original one, or add the new ones as subissues. Peter

Nov. 2, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Case 16725: why no reaction?

by stepharo

Benjamin forced us to react and the Inria lawyers did their job. Then he wrote this funny sentence. I asked the inria laywers to stay calm when they saw this sentence. You know they laugh one minute and after they want to attack. So I would ignore anything related to Benjamin because the spirit is not positive. I would focus on the current spec issues in Pharo and see step by step how we can address them. If we propose the same solution that in the Spec git repo then it will be a coincidence. Stef Le 2/11/15 07:57, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > > > 2015-11-02 16:49 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com > <mailto:nicolaihess@gmail.com>>: > > > > 2015-11-02 16:30 GMT+01:00 webwarrior <reg(a)webwarrior.ws > <mailto:reg@webwarrior.ws>>: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16725 > > Almost a month has passed > > > - there are many other things to do > - we don't have a real spec maintainer > - the issue has milestone "Later" > - ~ 300 for milestone pharo 5 > > if you can create slices for the changes, I can help with testing > and reviewing them. > > > Now, after rereading the note about the licence > "https://github.com/spec-framework/spec": > > "After I realised that the Pharo board was not able to consider the > concept of /copyright infringement/, and that stealing a project was > far from an issue to them, I decided to give up and to give away the > code since I do not want to fight with people not even understanding > the pupose of the battle" > > I am not sure, I don't know about this "battle", but don't want to > have anything to do with this battle. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Case-16725-why-no-reaction-tp4858968.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive > at Nabble.com. > > >

Nov. 2, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Case 16725: why no reaction?

by stepharo

+ 1 :) > > 2015-11-02 16:30 GMT+01:00 webwarrior <reg(a)webwarrior.ws > <mailto:reg@webwarrior.ws>>: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16725 > > Almost a month has passed > > > - there are many other things to do > - we don't have a real spec maintainer > - the issue has milestone "Later" > - ~ 300 for milestone pharo 5 > > if you can create slices for the changes, I can help with testing and > reviewing them. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Case-16725-why-no-reaction-tp4858968.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Nov. 2, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Case 16725: why no reaction?

by Stephan Eggermont

On 02-11-15 16:57, Nicolai Hess wrote: > "After I realised that the Pharo board was not able to consider the concept > of *copyright infringement*, and that stealing a project was far from an > issue to them, I decided to give up and to give away the code since I do > not want to fight with people not even understanding the pupose of the > battle" > > I am not sure, I don't know about this "battle", but don't want to have > anything to do with this battle. We cannot take code that was committed between the license changes without permission from the writers. Stephan

Nov. 2, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Case 16725: why no reaction?

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

> > - ~ 300 for milestone pharo 5 >> > and 18 for Spec (although some look stale) "After I realised that the Pharo board was not able to consider the concept > of *copyright infringement*, and that stealing a project was far from an > issue to them, I decided to give up and to give away the code since I do > not want to fight with people not even understanding the pupose of the > battle" > > I am not sure, I don't know about this "battle", but don't want to have > anything to do with this battle. > Misunderstandings, miscommunications... Spec was deliberately relicensed as GPL3 when "integrated in IDE", so it was no longer possible to integrate _new_ stuff into Pharo (as GPL is restrictive and not compatible with MIT). (As to whether such restriction can be even applied for other's people code (relicencing isn't sublicencing) is different matter.) In either case the licence was changed back to MIT, so from licencing perspective there shouldn't be any problem. (If such integration would cause bad blood somewhere, that's also another matter.) Peter

Nov. 2, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] WhatsUp from: 2015-11-02 until: 2015-11-15

by stepharo

### Here's what I've been up to since the last WhatsUp: Working on the Pharo Mooc > > ### What's next, until 2015-11-15 (*): Finish the Pharo Mooc

Nov. 2, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] WhatsUp from: 2015-11-02 until: 2015-11-15

by Dimitris Chloupis

Well I have been continuing to add new stuff to UPBE, like Dark Theme, Window Groups and other stuff I am back with my project Ephestos designing a new time managment tool which I call "Chronos Manager" this is a sneak peak of my progress so far [image: Screen Shot 2015-11-01 at 17.08.02.png] It will be essentially a kinda Pomodore app on steroids more info when its released. As you can see I am also trying Morphic for custom GUIs which is a theme I will be following for the rest of my Ephestos tools. Stay tuned :) On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:39 PM <seaside(a)rmod.lille.inria.fr> wrote: > Hi! We're sending this automatic email twice a month, to give the > community an opportunity to easily know what's happening and to coordinate > efforts. Just answer informally, and feel free to spawn discussions > thereafter! > > ### Here's what I've been up to since the last WhatsUp: > > - $HEROIC_ACHIEVEMENTS_OR_DISMAL_FAILURES_OR_SIMPLE_BORING_NECESSARY_TASKS > > ### What's next, until 2015-11-15 (*): > > - $NEXT_STEPS_TOWARDS_WORLD_DOMINATION > > (*) we'll be expecting results by then ;) > >

Nov. 2, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Case 16725: why no reaction?

by Nicolai Hess

2015-11-02 16:49 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com>: > > > 2015-11-02 16:30 GMT+01:00 webwarrior <reg(a)webwarrior.ws>: > >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16725 >> >> Almost a month has passed >> >> > - there are many other things to do > - we don't have a real spec maintainer > - the issue has milestone "Later" > - ~ 300 for milestone pharo 5 > > if you can create slices for the changes, I can help with testing and > reviewing them. > > > Now, after rereading the note about the licence " https://github.com/spec-framework/spec": "After I realised that the Pharo board was not able to consider the concept of *copyright infringement*, and that stealing a project was far from an issue to them, I decided to give up and to give away the code since I do not want to fight with people not even understanding the pupose of the battle" I am not sure, I don't know about this "battle", but don't want to have anything to do with this battle. > >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Case-16725-why-no-reaction-tp4858968.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >

Nov. 2, 2015