June 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] A screenshot we should remind today[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

by phil＠highoctane.be

Takes a while indeed. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:53 AM, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Yeah indeed that is worse. > > But I have to confese my experience with both smalltalk and lisp (common > lisp) has started with a "so what ?" experience. When I opened squeak , > the > IDE looked like any other ide I used, the guis was ugly, morph halos looked > kinda weird. I did not understan why all the ranting that everything is a > smalltalk object and of course we should not forget the usual "If your > language is all that great why people are not even aware of it". > > Especially the last one , I have been coding for fun for more than 24 years > now and never , absolutely never heard of smalltalk before. Actually the > reason I discovered smalltalk was because of lisper I was chating via irc 1 > + years ago. I was reading how awesome common lisp is , but of course I did > hate all that parentheses. However I did decide to give it a serious try , > but for me the barrier was emacs and text based interfaces, I was always a > fan of GUIs, so I was chating with him saying to him how I would love to do > live coding and visual coding and he replied "hey did you try squeak and > smalltalk ?" , I replied back "whats that ?" and the rest is history. > > So to be fair he did tell me what the big deal was so I knew when I tried > squeak that it was very special. Because if I have tried it by accident > most > likely I would have taken the same route as you and even never come back to > it. > > The problem with smalltalk and lisp is that it takes a lot of time to > realise the benefits of using such unpopular languages. Its difficult to > kick out the "whats the big deal ?" attitude. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-A-screenshot-we-should-remind-today-tp46909… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

June 3, 2013

Smalltalkhub

by Hilaire Fernandes

Hello, I want to migrate to smalltalkhub from squeaksource. I am using Pahro 1.4. But I need class: MCSmalltalkhubRepository Where do I find it? It will be helpful to properly document the migration process, ONCE and in ONE place. Thanks Hilaire -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu

June 3, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lowecase class names

by kilon

These kind of features and flexibility should be more promoted to coders. Its these things that make smalltalk so special , yet people like me who are still very fresh to it deal with it like its another python or ruby. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Lowecase-class-names-tp4690963p4691334.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 3, 2013

Problems with Penelope

by Davide Varvello

Hi, http://bugs.pharo.org/issues returns Error 503 Davide -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Problems-with-Penelope-tp4691333.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 3, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] A screenshot we should remind today[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

by kilon

Yeah indeed that is worse. But I have to confese my experience with both smalltalk and lisp (common lisp) has started with a "so what ?" experience. When I opened squeak , the IDE looked like any other ide I used, the guis was ugly, morph halos looked kinda weird. I did not understan why all the ranting that everything is a smalltalk object and of course we should not forget the usual "If your language is all that great why people are not even aware of it". Especially the last one , I have been coding for fun for more than 24 years now and never , absolutely never heard of smalltalk before. Actually the reason I discovered smalltalk was because of lisper I was chating via irc 1 + years ago. I was reading how awesome common lisp is , but of course I did hate all that parentheses. However I did decide to give it a serious try , but for me the barrier was emacs and text based interfaces, I was always a fan of GUIs, so I was chating with him saying to him how I would love to do live coding and visual coding and he replied "hey did you try squeak and smalltalk ?" , I replied back "whats that ?" and the rest is history. So to be fair he did tell me what the big deal was so I knew when I tried squeak that it was very special. Because if I have tried it by accident most likely I would have taken the same route as you and even never come back to it. The problem with smalltalk and lisp is that it takes a lot of time to realise the benefits of using such unpopular languages. Its difficult to kick out the "whats the big deal ?" attitude. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-A-screenshot-we-should-remind-today-tp46909… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 3, 2013

WhatsUp from: 2013-06-03 until: 2013-06-16

by seaside＠rmod.lille.inria.fr

Hi! We're sending this automatic email twice a month, to give the community an opportunity to easily know what's happening and to coordinate efforts. Just answer informally, and feel free to spawn discussions thereafter! ### Here's what I've been up to since the last WhatsUp: - $HEROIC_ACHIEVEMENTS_OR_DISMAL_FAILURES_OR_SIMPLE_BORING_NECESSARY_TASKS ### What's next, until 2013-06-16 (*): - $NEXT_STEPS_TOWARDS_WORLD_DOMINATION (*) we'll be expecting results by then ;)

June 3, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] A screenshot we should remind today[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

by Stephen Taylor

On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 06:08 -0700, kilon wrote: > Kinda ironic that I code for fun since 1988 , learned so many programming > languages but only recently I heard about this interesting language called > "Smalltalk". It could have ended my search very soon if I did started with > smalltalk instead , but alas :D Could be worse - you could be stupid like me! I bought one of the very early PC Smalltalks (Smalltalk/V maybe?)because I'd heard it was interesting -and then never really did more than tinker with it for a few minutes. Many years later I got a job programming VisualWorks and it absolutely blew my mind wide open. Just think how many years of good programming I missed out on by not bothering to play with what I had right in front of me! Steve

June 2, 2013

Rubric: playing with selection

by plantec

Hi all, I've tried to manage the selection as a Morph. I was curious to see if it was enough efficient. and yes it is :) http://vimeo.com/67516363 Cheers Alain

June 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] about Announcement weak on: do:

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

can you propose a fix? + bug entry :) Stef On Jun 2, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2 June 2013 14:13, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Hi igor >> >> after our discussions about the fact that we should not use weak with block, I checked and >> >> WeakSubscriptionBuilder>>on: anAnnouncementClass do: aValuable >> ^ self subscribe: anAnnouncementClass do: aValuable >> >> Does not look like raising error. >> > yes.. > so we need to change it to throw error. > > (by making dirty patch in subscribe: anAnnouncementClass do: aValuable , > testing if valuable is block) > > :) > > it is strange.. i remember we wrote code which were throwing error.. > Even class comment says it: > > I am a wrapper around an Announcer, used to create weak subscriptions > at subscription time. > > Use me like this: > > anAnnouncer weak subscribe: Announcement send: #foo to: barObject. > > I raise an error for block subscriptions, as they require non-existing > Ephemeron support to function correctly. > >> Stef > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

June 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lowecase class names

by Igor Stasenko

On 2 June 2013 16:38, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > So that means the naming conventions used my pharo are imposed by the > enviroment itself like starting with lowercase for methods and highercase > for classes. Very interesting , another reason for me to like smalltalk even > more :) > yes it is just convention. as well as using names at all :) > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Lowecase-class-names-tp4690963p4691269.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

June 2, 2013