May 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

by Camillo Bruni

>>> Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl as a >>> subclass of FileUrl, and Gofer seems happy with that. >> >> Neat. > > Now, I can do: > > ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save Gofer new url: \'filetree://`pwd`/../../src\'\; package: \'TauC-Parser\'\; load cool! > And a long time after (package loading is slowwww), it's done. > > However, the --install in the config handler doesn't work; had to use --install=stable instead. that's in 2.0 I guess, since I changed it to use #stable by default in 2.0. So we should push the FileTreeUrl into the 2.0 repository for FileTree..

May 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

by Goubier Thierry

Le 22/05/2013 13:57, Frank Shearar a Ã©crit : > On 22 May 2013 12:56, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> Le 22/05/2013 13:28, Frank Shearar a Ã©crit : >> >>> On 22 May 2013 12:13, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> Le 22/05/2013 13:05, Frank Shearar a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2013 12:05, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to setup a git-based build script from the command line and >>>>>> I >>>>>> end >>>>>> up unable to load a configuration from a filetree repository on the >>>>>> pharo >>>>>> command line. >>>>>> >>>>>> Has someone encountered that? It seems Gopher is missing a FiletreeURL >>>>>> for >>>>>> this to work. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What does your script currently look like? >>>>> >>>>> frank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/ >>>> >>>> Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a >>>> GenericUrl >>>> instance inside Gofer. >>> >>> >>> Yep, I'd agree with your assessment. Has Pharo forked Gofer, or does >>> it still use Lukas Renggli's repository? >> >> >> Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl as a >> subclass of FileUrl, and Gofer seems happy with that. > > Neat. Now, I can do: ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save Gofer new url: \'filetree://`pwd`/../../src\'\; package: \'TauC-Parser\'\; load And a long time after (package loading is slowwww), it's done. However, the --install in the config handler doesn't work; had to use --install=stable instead. Thierry > frank > >> Thierry >> >>> frank >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> > > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

May 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

by Frank Shearar

On 22 May 2013 13:44, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 2013-05-22, at 14:02, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a GenericUrl >>>>>>> instance inside Gofer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep, I'd agree with your assessment. Has Pharo forked Gofer, or does >>>>>> it still use Lukas Renggli's repository? >>>>> >>>>> We forked it. We cannot built a part of our infrastructure on a project that can vanished in nature. >>>> >>>> Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository >>>> with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you >>>> forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?" >>> >>> well, check on how much we changed in detail and them come back. >> >> Sorry, was that supposed to be an answer? I must go find out how much >> work you've done before guessing whether you've forked and abandoned >> upstream? > > abandon or progress that's the question here. That's a false dichotomy. There's a middle path, where you do the MC equivalent of a pull request. Now there's something useful to aim for: GitHub works so very, very well because it's utterly trivial to make upstream repositories know you have improvements lying around. Because fragmentation of your committer base _does not help you_ in the long run. Now if the upstream maintainer _dies_, sure, that's a different story. >> Like I said: What I want to know is this: if I want to make a change >> to infrastructure common to multiple Smalltalks, does Pharo expect me >> to submit special unique snowflake additions to Pharo AND to upstream? > > well if you expect us to push anything upstream then have a look at the > massive amount of changes that happened since pharo 1.0. I don't care about Pharo 1.0 in the context of this discussion. I care about one particular package, one that should have no UI elements in it or similar nasty sources of entanglement. (I have attempted to port quite a few Pharo packages to Squeak. Lack of separation between UI and core functionality has been the only reason I've had to abandon a port, thus far.) And certainly Gofer as it's pulled in via Metacello (er, which one? The upstream one, not Pharo's fork of same) works fine in Pharo, Squeak and Gemstone, and wherever else Metacello and Gofer run. I should _not_ have to submit to more than one repository to add functionality to Gofer. > There IS a reason pharo forked from squeak... I'm not pursuing this thread: it's my understanding that the fork was largely political, and personal, and that's as far as I'm going to talk about it. frank

May 22, 2013

[regression reporter]regression occurred

by no-reply＠ci.inria.fr

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/./label=wi… 24 regressions found. AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testBlockArgumentBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testBlockTemporaryBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testClassVariableBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testGlobalVariableBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testInstanceVariableBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testMethodArgumentBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testMethodTemporaryBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testMissing AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testMultipleScopes AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testShadowedVariables AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testSpecialContextBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testSpecialSelfBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testSpecialSuperBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testUndeclaredBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testUndeclaredHandled SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testFindBestNodeForClassItsRBVariable SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testFindBestNodeForClassVarItsRBVariable SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testFindBestNodeForInstanceVariableItsRBVariable SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testFindBestNodeForTemporaryVariableItsRBVariable SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testNoSuggestionForSuperNode ...

May 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] do not forget to register to the pharo web day

by Rafael Luque

Steph, Which will be the conference language? English of French? and, do you plan to record and publish the sessions? Rafa 2013/5/22 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Please register for the pharo web day > > > http://www.inria.fr/centre/lille/agenda/conference-web-3.0-avec-pharo > >

May 22, 2013

[regression reporter]regression occurred

by no-reply＠ci.inria.fr

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/./label=li… 24 regressions found. AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testBlockArgumentBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testBlockTemporaryBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testClassVariableBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testGlobalVariableBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testInstanceVariableBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testMethodArgumentBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testMethodTemporaryBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testMissing AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testMultipleScopes AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testShadowedVariables AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testSpecialContextBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testSpecialSelfBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testSpecialSuperBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testUndeclaredBinding AST.Tests.Semantic.RBSemanticTest.testUndeclaredHandled SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testFindBestNodeForClassItsRBVariable SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testFindBestNodeForClassVarItsRBVariable SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testFindBestNodeForInstanceVariableItsRBVariable SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testFindBestNodeForTemporaryVariableItsRBVariable SmartSuggestions.Test.SugsMenuBuilderTest.testNoSuggestionForSuperNode ...

May 22, 2013

[update 3.0] #30155

by Marcus Denker

30155 ----- 10610 Make ASTInterpreter use OC (Opal) bindings instead of RB bindings https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10610 â¦ and update Opal to a more recent version. Diff information: http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/OpalCompiler-Tests-MarcusDenk… http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/OpalCompiler-Core-MarcusDenke… http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Compiler-MarcusDenker.467.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/AST-Semantic-MarcusDenker.30.… http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/AST-Interpreter-Core-MarcusDe… http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/AST-Core-MarcusDenker.156.diff

May 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 2013-05-22, at 14:02, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> ./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a GenericUrl >>>>>> instance inside Gofer. >>>>> >>>>> Yep, I'd agree with your assessment. Has Pharo forked Gofer, or does >>>>> it still use Lukas Renggli's repository? >>>> >>>> We forked it. We cannot built a part of our infrastructure on a project that can vanished in nature. >>> >>> Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository >>> with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you >>> forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?" >> >> well, check on how much we changed in detail and them come back. > > Sorry, was that supposed to be an answer? I must go find out how much > work you've done before guessing whether you've forked and abandoned > upstream? abandon or progress that's the question here. > Like I said: What I want to know is this: if I want to make a change > to infrastructure common to multiple Smalltalks, does Pharo expect me > to submit special unique snowflake additions to Pharo AND to upstream? well if you expect us to push anything upstream then have a look at the massive amount of changes that happened since pharo 1.0. There IS a reason pharo forked from squeak...

May 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

by Frank Shearar

On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2013-05-22, at 14:02, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/ >>>>> >>>>> Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a GenericUrl >>>>> instance inside Gofer. >>>> >>>> Yep, I'd agree with your assessment. Has Pharo forked Gofer, or does >>>> it still use Lukas Renggli's repository? >>> >>> We forked it. We cannot built a part of our infrastructure on a project that can vanished in nature. >> >> Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository >> with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you >> forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?" > > well, check on how much we changed in detail and them come back. Sorry, was that supposed to be an answer? I must go find out how much work you've done before guessing whether you've forked and abandoned upstream? Like I said: What I want to know is this: if I want to make a change to infrastructure common to multiple Smalltalks, does Pharo expect me to submit special unique snowflake additions to Pharo AND to upstream? frank

May 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] AST Everywhere, Reflectivity

by David T. Lewis

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 09:35:47AM +0400, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > Why Future required compiler changes? > What problem to implement #future message as any other method? > If it is about performance can you explain why basic implementation should > have bad speed? And what benchmarks was used to verify it? Sorry, I cannot really help because I have no background in this, I only know what I read on the mailing list. There is also a class comment for FutureBuilder in Squeak: "Uses #doesNotUnderstand: to transform messages into future messages. In practice, this class is never used; for efficiency, the Compiler has been modified to use FutureNode to transform code at compile-time to directly send #futureSend:at:args:. However, this is simply an optimization... the semantics are unchanged." Based on this, I would assume that the compiler support is provided only for performance reasons. But I do not have any other information to offer. Dave > > 2013/5/22 David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 06:26:04PM +0200, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > > > > No, I know nothing about the Future implementation in Squeak? but > > > a Future node in the AST sounds extremely strange. > > > > I think that the background may be found in this thread: > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-December/142111… > > > > Dave > > > > > >

May 22, 2013