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Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Frank Shearar

On 15 May 2012 12:10, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >> means of communication with the masses! >> >> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >> >> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >> >> we need now: >> - 60 Followers >> - 40 questions with some answers! >> > It seems that this will not work: someone is tagging all questions as > "can be asked on Stackoverflow" > and requests to close the area. > > So I think we will have to install our own thing instead. If what you want is something other than a QA site, absolutely. If you want a QA place, I don't see why people can't just use SO: there are already 113 questions tagged "pharo" there, and all people need do is... just ask your question there. It's one more thing you don't need to write/install/maintain, and one LESS thing for you to track: lists, RSS feeds, newsgroups, QA sites, ... frank > Â Marcus > > -- > Marcus DenkerÂ --Â denker(a)acm.org > http://www.marcusdenker.de >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Max Leske

BTW: http://askbot.com/ On 15.05.2012, at 13:15, Max Leske wrote: > I just whent browsing through the discussions and it looks as if we'll be having a hard time justifying a Pharo SE site. I quote (http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/5032/re-possible-duplicat…) > > Philosophically, StackExchange does not believe in setting up new sites "just because a lot of people are interested in it". It also has to be the case that the existing sites are not serving the audience concerned. Otherwise Java and C# would have their own sites. The SE staff have follwed that philosophy consistently in their decisions to close particular proposals. (e.g. Perl,CodeIgniter etc). > > > Someone pointed to http://ask.rascal-mpl.org/questions/. That site is actually an Askbot page (an open source SE clone). So maybe, what we want is an Askbot setup? > > Cheers, > Max > > > On 15.05.2012, at 12:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: > >> >> Am 15.05.2012 um 12:08 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: >> >>> >>> On 15 May 2012, at 11:28, Frank Shearar wrote: >>> >>>> On 15 May 2012 09:38, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>>>> means of communication with the masses! >>>>> >>>>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>>>> >>>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>>>> >>>>> we need now: >>>>> - 60 Followers >>>>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>>>> >>>>> I think this will greatly improve the efficiency of our discussions! >>>>> - tagging of discussions >>>>> - better archive for questions >>>>> >>>>> go go go! >>>>> cami >>>> >>>> Why not simply use stackoverflow and tag your questions with "pharo"? >>>> >>>> frank >>> >>> I really don't get this web app, I must be stupid, but how do I answer a question ? >>> How to I pose a question ? >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> PS: I am registered and confirmed my email address. >>> >> >> There is no answering at the moment only comments. It is in a stage to be evaluated. If the questions asked are distinct from the other sites and there is enough movement then the site will be created where you can answer the questions. >> >> Norbert >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Max Leske

I just whent browsing through the discussions and it looks as if we'll be having a hard time justifying a Pharo SE site. I quote (http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/5032/re-possible-duplicat…) Philosophically, StackExchange does not believe in setting up new sites "just because a lot of people are interested in it". It also has to be the case that the existing sites are not serving the audience concerned. Otherwise Java and C# would have their own sites. The SE staff have follwed that philosophy consistently in their decisions to close particular proposals. (e.g. Perl,CodeIgniter etc). Someone pointed to http://ask.rascal-mpl.org/questions/. That site is actually an Askbot page (an open source SE clone). So maybe, what we want is an Askbot setup? Cheers, Max On 15.05.2012, at 12:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: > > Am 15.05.2012 um 12:08 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: > >> >> On 15 May 2012, at 11:28, Frank Shearar wrote: >> >>> On 15 May 2012 09:38, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>>> means of communication with the masses! >>>> >>>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>>> >>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>>> >>>> we need now: >>>> - 60 Followers >>>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>>> >>>> I think this will greatly improve the efficiency of our discussions! >>>> - tagging of discussions >>>> - better archive for questions >>>> >>>> go go go! >>>> cami >>> >>> Why not simply use stackoverflow and tag your questions with "pharo"? >>> >>> frank >> >> I really don't get this web app, I must be stupid, but how do I answer a question ? >> How to I pose a question ? >> >> Sven >> >> PS: I am registered and confirmed my email address. >> > > There is no answering at the moment only comments. It is in a stage to be evaluated. If the questions asked are distinct from the other sites and there is enough movement then the site will be created where you can answer the questions. > > Norbert

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Marcus Denker

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of > means of communication with the masses! > > I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: > > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… > > we need now: > - 60 Followers > - 40 questions with some answers! > It seems that this will not work: someone is tagging all questions as "can be asked on Stackoverflow" and requests to close the area. So I think we will have to install our own thing instead. Marcus -- Marcus DenkerÂ --Â denker(a)acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Fun with spock (NativeBoost FFI)

by Igor Stasenko

On 15 May 2012 09:42, Lawson English <lenglish5(a)cox.net> wrote: > On 5/14/12 8:06 PM, Lawson English wrote: >> >> On 5/14/12 8:02 PM, Lawson English wrote: >>> >>> OK, getting closer. However I'm still not quite getting what I expect: >>> >>> >>> f1 := GMPfWrapper new. >>> f2 := GMPfWrapper new. >>> f3 := GMPfWrapper new. >>> f1 set_ui: 50. >>> f2 set_ui: 50. >>> f3 set_ui:50. >>> (f3 +f2) asString ==> '1 >>> > > Doh, its working just fine. the function only returns the minimum digits > required and returns the exponent in the expptr, so 1 has an expptr value of > 3, making it 100.0... > > Sigh. > Right. Yeah, it works just fine, except there is no description what is exp stands for. So you have to guess or look for example code :) > L. > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

May 15, 2012

[Pharo-project] CogVM crash

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, we have here one weird crash case for the CogVM. How to reproduce it: 1) take latest Pharo Kernel build [1] 2) run: CogVM PharoKernel-2.0.image save.st the script and the crash dump attached. It doesn't crash on StackVM. I had to switch to standard SmalltalkImage snapshot: true andQuit: true in Jenkins scripts but that way keeps some mess in the image. [1] https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo-Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%… -- Pavel

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Norbert Hartl

Am 15.05.2012 um 12:08 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: > > On 15 May 2012, at 11:28, Frank Shearar wrote: > >> On 15 May 2012 09:38, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>> means of communication with the masses! >>> >>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>> >>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>> >>> we need now: >>> - 60 Followers >>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>> >>> I think this will greatly improve the efficiency of our discussions! >>> - tagging of discussions >>> - better archive for questions >>> >>> go go go! >>> cami >> >> Why not simply use stackoverflow and tag your questions with "pharo"? >> >> frank > > I really don't get this web app, I must be stupid, but how do I answer a question ? > How to I pose a question ? > > Sven > > PS: I am registered and confirmed my email address. > There is no answering at the moment only comments. It is in a stage to be evaluated. If the questions asked are distinct from the other sites and there is enough movement then the site will be created where you can answer the questions. Norbert

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 15 May 2012, at 11:28, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 15 May 2012 09:38, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >> means of communication with the masses! >> >> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >> >> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >> >> we need now: >> - 60 Followers >> - 40 questions with some answers! >> >> I think this will greatly improve the efficiency of our discussions! >> - tagging of discussions >> - better archive for questions >> >> go go go! >> cami > > Why not simply use stackoverflow and tag your questions with "pharo"? > > frank I really don't get this web app, I must be stupid, but how do I answer a question ? How to I pose a question ? Sven PS: I am registered and confirmed my email address.

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Frank Shearar

On 15 May 2012 09:38, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of > means of communication with the masses! > > I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: > > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… > > we need now: > - 60 Followers > - 40 questions with some answers! > > I think this will greatly improve the efficiency of our discussions! > - tagging of discussions > - better archive for questions > > go go go! > cami Why not simply use stackoverflow and tag your questions with "pharo"? frank

May 15, 2012

[Pharo-project] Problem with RPackage and MCPackage integration

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi guys. I am experimenting with exporting Monticello packages with Fuel. What I am doing so far is I download somehting with metacello, then I query all the needed packages and its order and then I serialize that. To do that, I am using (PackageInfo named: 'XXX') and then I ask #classes or #extensionMethods. The problem is that #extensionMethods is incredible slow: extensionMethods ^ (Smalltalk allClassesAndTraits, (Smalltalk allClasses collect: [:c | c class])) gather: [:classOrTrait | self extensionMethodsForClass: classOrTrait] .... I THINK that RPackage store extension methods and tehrefor I guess it could be much faster. The problem I have now with RPackage is this. I have a MCPackage called 'Fuel'. And then I have different categories inside that package such as 'Fuel-Core', 'Fuel-Clusters'. 'Fuel-Stream', etc. (MCPackage named: 'Fuel') correspondingRPackage classes -> () (RPackageOrganizer default packageNamed: 'Fuel') classes -> () so i am getting an empty collection instead of the classes. If I enter to a category, it is fine, for example: (RPackageOrganizer default packageNamed: 'Fuel-Clusters') classes -> a Set(FLGlobalSendCluster FLGlobalClassCluster FLObjectCluster FLCluster FLVariablesMapping FLWordObjectCluster FLIteratingCluster FLGlobalValueCluster FLVariableObjectCluster FLBitsObjectCluster FLGlobalCompiledMethodCluster FLPrimitiveCluster FLGlobalAssociationCluster FLPositiveSmallIntegerCluster FLGlobalCluster FLPointerObjectCluster FLWellKnownObjectsCluster FLMethodContextCluster FLSmallIntegerCluster FLUInt16Cluster FLGlobalClassSideCluster FLByteObjectCluster FLSubstitutionCluster FLNegativeSmallIntegerCluster FLHookPrimitiveCluster FLFixedObjectCluster FLWeakVariableObjectCluster) so...how can I get a RPackage for my MCPackage/PackageInfo called 'Fuel' ? thanks -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 15, 2012