April 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Voice reader support for Pharo

by David T. Lewis

On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 12:40:00AM +0530, S Krish wrote: > I am preffering currently to use Festival ( on linux) through OSProcess. > Simple to push out sentences one by one.. > > wholeText splitToSentences do: [ :eaSentence | > > OSProcess command: 'echo "', eaSentence , '" | festival > --tts'. > ]. > You can also do something like this if you want to continue sending commands to a single running festival program: festival := PipeableOSProcess command: '/usr/bin/festival'. festival nextPutAll: '(voice_rab_diphone)'. { 'Hello world this is festival' . 'The festival process is still running so you can continue to send ', 'commands to it without starting a new instance each time' . 'When you are done using this process, you can close its input and ', 'allow it to exit normally'. 'Then do a close pipes to close the standard output so you will not ', 'leak file handles due to open pipes' . 'Standard output is left open on purpose to allow you to read output after ', 'the external process has exited' . 'That is the reason that you must close it explicitly after you are done ', 'using the external process' . 'Have fun!' } do: [:sentence | festival nextPutAll: '(SayText "', sentence, ' ")']. festival close. festival closePipes. Dave

April 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Vancouver Smalltalk Developer Meetup Group

by Francois Stephany

And here's the link: http://www.meetup.com/Vancouver-Smalltalk-Developers-Group/ On 01/04/12 13:56, Francois Stephany wrote: > Hi there, > > I've just started a Vancouver Smalltalk Developer Meetup group. If > you're in the area, it would great to meet around a beer and some > lightning talks. > > Cheers, > Francois > -- http://tulipemoutarde.be CA: +1 778 558 3225 BE: +32 65 709 131

April 1, 2012

[Pharo-project] Vancouver Smalltalk Developer Meetup Group

by Francois Stephany

Hi there, I've just started a Vancouver Smalltalk Developer Meetup group. If you're in the area, it would great to meet around a beer and some lightning talks. Cheers, Francois -- http://tulipemoutarde.be CA: +1 778 558 3225 BE: +32 65 709 131

April 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior

by phil＠highoctane.be

There are Xes all over the map. What is needed for getting Xes to last is money for funding maintenance, growth,and marketing (and preferably a market). And some benevolent dictatorship. (A reason why I got my own business since 2000.) Java has got that right I think. Not that we want another 21st century COBOL ;-) Philippe 2012/4/1 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > > > > > PS: note that we are not waiting for Spoon. We are building our system > and slowly but steadily > > arriving there. We are working step by step on making the system more > modular and easier to change. > > We hope to have a bootstrap soon. > > That said, I of course like Spoon... lots of good ideas and it *is* > interesting. > And in additon, there was lots of progress recently! > > I just have a bit of an aversion from 10 years of Squeak to a one line > answer like we > saw... "X will solve this", when X is something somehow in the future that > requires effort > not just to get a community to really absorb and integrate, but especially > really replace > the existing infrastructure in practice. And especially I am sceptical > when it's a one person > project (regardless how great that person is or how I respect him/her). > > There where a lot of different X over the years... > > This was especially apparent in Squeak at the point when the reality > against these grandiose > "X will solve everything" was that it was in practice impossible for the > community to even change > a typo in a comment... > > This does say nothing about the Xses... they where great. The people > driving the Xses: very good, some > geniuses even. That's why everyone was so excited. > > But what came out: nothing. > > In the end the story of Squeak is amazing in how little was accomplished > considering > the amount of talent, founding, time and energy. > > And I don't completely understand why even today. > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior

by phil＠highoctane.be

done. UID: philippeback 2012/4/1 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > get an account on gforge.inria.fr and let us know your login we will add > you to the svn and you will have access. > > Stef > > > > Stef, > > > > Yes, what's lacking is the doc. The system in itself is pretty great, > once you invest a ton of hours in lighting the dark corners > (PluggableTextMorph, OMG, an MVC-Morphic beast ...) > > > > How can I contribute to the book? I don't have a clue on how to login. > > > > Also, I went through most of your material (Bots, Caro la tortue, other > PDFs, well, in fact I siphoned all of the content and read like a mad man > ;-) ). > > > > There are a lot of treasures in there, especially the turtle geometry (I > see that we have the same old book from 86 or so). > > > > Statistics coupled with turtle geometry could do a lot of interesting > thingsâ¦ > > :) > > Stef > > > > > Philippe > > > > 2012/4/1 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > > > > Le 01/04/2012 15:22, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > > >> Well the problem is that Morph is so complex and the API totally > obscure. > > > > > > > > > I know I know, all this morphic stuff really really looks cryptic and > > > dusty, refactoring was due for many years but did not take place until > > > pharo. So it results in this big mess, but yet we can get something > > > useable in Pharo. > > > > yes (this is not such a mess, it is just lacking proper documentation). > > > > > Some time I would love to document somewhere my finding to achieve a > > > given result. > > > > if you send some examples we will add them (or you could add them > directly to the basicWidgets chapter). > > > > > A kind of web service where each of us could document, > > > then this document could turn in comment in each class... kind of magic > > > stuff. May be the documentation class effort is the place to > contribute, > > > but my workflow does not really match it. > > > > We started with benjamin to work on a basic widget chapter. I would love > to document > > the basic api of each of the basic widgets. The problem is that I have > to learn it first. > > So may be joining the effort on that chapter would be already a big plus. > > > > Stef > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Philippe Back > > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: > phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > > http://philippeback.be > > > > High Octane SPRL > > rue cour Boisacq 101 > > 1301 Bierges > > > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior

by Marcus Denker

> > PS: note that we are not waiting for Spoon. We are building our system and slowly but steadily > arriving there. We are working step by step on making the system more modular and easier to change. > We hope to have a bootstrap soon. That said, I of course like Spoon... lots of good ideas and it *is* interesting. And in additon, there was lots of progress recently! I just have a bit of an aversion from 10 years of Squeak to a one line answer like we saw... "X will solve this", when X is something somehow in the future that requires effort not just to get a community to really absorb and integrate, but especially really replace the existing infrastructure in practice. And especially I am sceptical when it's a one person project (regardless how great that person is or how I respect him/her). There where a lot of different X over the years... This was especially apparent in Squeak at the point when the reality against these grandiose "X will solve everything" was that it was in practice impossible for the community to even change a typo in a comment... This does say nothing about the Xses... they where great. The people driving the Xses: very good, some geniuses even. That's why everyone was so excited. But what came out: nothing. In the end the story of Squeak is amazing in how little was accomplished considering the amount of talent, founding, time and energy. And I don't completely understand why even today. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

April 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

get an account on gforge.inria.fr and let us know your login we will add you to the svn and you will have access. Stef > Stef, > > Yes, what's lacking is the doc. The system in itself is pretty great, once you invest a ton of hours in lighting the dark corners (PluggableTextMorph, OMG, an MVC-Morphic beast ...) > > How can I contribute to the book? I don't have a clue on how to login. > > Also, I went through most of your material (Bots, Caro la tortue, other PDFs, well, in fact I siphoned all of the content and read like a mad man ;-) ). > > There are a lot of treasures in there, especially the turtle geometry (I see that we have the same old book from 86 or so). > > Statistics coupled with turtle geometry could do a lot of interesting thingsâ¦ :) Stef > > Philippe > > 2012/4/1 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > > Le 01/04/2012 15:22, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > >> Well the problem is that Morph is so complex and the API totally obscure. > > > > > > I know I know, all this morphic stuff really really looks cryptic and > > dusty, refactoring was due for many years but did not take place until > > pharo. So it results in this big mess, but yet we can get something > > useable in Pharo. > > yes (this is not such a mess, it is just lacking proper documentation). > > > Some time I would love to document somewhere my finding to achieve a > > given result. > > if you send some examples we will add them (or you could add them directly to the basicWidgets chapter). > > > A kind of web service where each of us could document, > > then this document could turn in comment in each class... kind of magic > > stuff. May be the documentation class effort is the place to contribute, > > but my workflow does not really match it. > > We started with benjamin to work on a basic widget chapter. I would love to document > the basic api of each of the basic widgets. The problem is that I have to learn it first. > So may be joining the effort on that chapter would be already a big plus. > > Stef > > > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

April 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I build a break out and I have 7 chapters explaining it but this is a game and not really about morphic. Stef > I am exploring Pharo's Morphic (I am doing a text-based game with it). > > I've been 'doxpermimenting' stuff and it lives in: > > MCHttpRepository > > location: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/HO-Experiments' > user: '' > password: ' > > It is more looking like a ball of mud but it all is in the HighOctane--* packages. > It loads in the latest 1.3. > > There is also a Metacello config: > > ConfigurationOfHighOctane in the same place. > > I am learning. For the record I am a pretty good user of Swing in Java, so I can relate things. But Morphic is indeed a great thing. The fact that standard things aren't documented makes it harder than it needs to. > > But this is the most flexible beast I know of. I do some Tcl/Tk for helping me with scripts. But this is another thing completely. > > Philippe > > > > > 2012/4/1 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > That's the problem - it's been "any day now" for a LONG time. As much as I don't enjoy pointing it out, don't wait for spoon. > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Marcus Denker [marcus.denker(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 9:33 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > > > > On 1 Apr 2012, at 14:22, Lawson English wrote: > > > >> On 4/1/12 5:40 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> [...] > >>> We should have a way to track and document the changes we make in the image. > >> > >> Spoon will have a very fine-grained solution for this issue. > >> > Spoon will solve all of Squeak's problem since 10 years ;-) > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

April 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior

by phil＠highoctane.be

Stef, Yes, what's lacking is the doc. The system in itself is pretty great, once you invest a ton of hours in lighting the dark corners (PluggableTextMorph, OMG, an MVC-Morphic beast ...) How can I contribute to the book? I don't have a clue on how to login. Also, I went through most of your material (Bots, Caro la tortue, other PDFs, well, in fact I siphoned all of the content and read like a mad man ;-) ). There are a lot of treasures in there, especially the turtle geometry (I see that we have the same old book from 86 or so). Statistics coupled with turtle geometry could do a lot of interesting things... Philippe 2012/4/1 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > > Le 01/04/2012 15:22, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > >> Well the problem is that Morph is so complex and the API totally > obscure. > > > > > > I know I know, all this morphic stuff really really looks cryptic and > > dusty, refactoring was due for many years but did not take place until > > pharo. So it results in this big mess, but yet we can get something > > useable in Pharo. > > yes (this is not such a mess, it is just lacking proper documentation). > > > Some time I would love to document somewhere my finding to achieve a > > given result. > > if you send some examples we will add them (or you could add them directly > to the basicWidgets chapter). > > > A kind of web service where each of us could document, > > then this document could turn in comment in each class... kind of magic > > stuff. May be the documentation class effort is the place to contribute, > > but my workflow does not really match it. > > We started with benjamin to work on a basic widget chapter. I would love > to document > the basic api of each of the basic widgets. The problem is that I have to > learn it first. > So may be joining the effort on that chapter would be already a big plus. > > Stef > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior

by phil＠highoctane.be

I am exploring Pharo's Morphic (I am doing a text-based game with it). I've been 'doxpermimenting' stuff and it lives in: MCHttpRepository location: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/HO-Experiments' user: '' password: ' It is more looking like a ball of mud but it all is in the HighOctane--* packages. It loads in the latest 1.3. There is also a Metacello config: ConfigurationOfHighOctane in the same place. I am learning. For the record I am a pretty good user of Swing in Java, so I can relate things. But Morphic is indeed a great thing. The fact that standard things aren't documented makes it harder than it needs to. But this is the most flexible beast I know of. I do some Tcl/Tk for helping me with scripts. But this is another thing completely. Philippe 2012/4/1 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > That's the problem - it's been "any day now" for a LONG time. As much as > I don't enjoy pointing it out, don't wait for spoon. > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Marcus Denker [ > marcus.denker(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 9:33 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > > > > On 1 Apr 2012, at 14:22, Lawson English wrote: > > > >> On 4/1/12 5:40 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> [...] > >>> We should have a way to track and document the changes we make in the > image. > >> > >> Spoon will have a very fine-grained solution for this issue. > >> > Spoon will solve all of Squeak's problem since 10 years ;-) > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 1, 2012