March 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Dedicated to days of wasted time in your life, formatting source code for replacing spaces with tabs

by Igor Stasenko

actually, originally i was looking for a bit different thing: i wanted that if user double-clicks on white space, it should select all whitespace characters between two non-space characters. but when i found the code responsible for that, i understood that it will be not so easy to do and most probably will break a current behavior. Btw, Firefox behavior on double-clicking between two words is also not satisfying: try double click between this word and this , and see. Neither Chrome: it just selects single space.. But TextEdit (on Macs) does exactly what i would expect from well-behaving text editor. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Dedicated to days of wasted time in your life, formatting source code for replacing spaces with tabs

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 12 March 2012 21:23, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Igor >> >> would it be not more clever to integrate keyMapper and add Ctrl-a Ctrl-e >> because has that since decades now? > It is orthogonal. Ctrl-a btw selects all text.. which kind-of > windowish behavior, but it is also quite useful. Not in emacs and not with mail on mac :) > >> I would not integrate such change in its current state >> >> Because for me going back one character is important and it is important to jump at the beginning of the line > > Stef, you can go back & forth by one character, unless you are at > multiple whitespace characters, > which is treated as single whitespace. > > This is not my invention. I borrowing that from typography systems, a > white space between words treated as a single whitespace, > because usually, a typography system using kerning rules and adjusts > spaces width in order to justify text in a line so it will align to > column edges. > You can take any newspaper and see the effect. Obviously, nobody using > multiple spaces in text to align it.. because space width may vary. > And hence, no need to put more than one space between words. > Tabs having special meaning , however. Usually they used at the > beginning of line. > And usually again, you don't need to be able to navigate to each > particular tab character, you always want to navigate either to start > of line, or to start of a text.. and this is 1 key stroke with my > patch, > with one finger. no need to use ctrl-a /ctrl-e > >> but that I know how to do it: ctrl-A and at the end Ctrl-e. >> Cut a line Ctrl-Kâ¦. >> >> So ... >> > so try format the attached. and you will see a difference > >> Stef >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> On 12 March 2012 03:50, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> sorry for not explaining the feature properly.. >>>> >>>> I just wanna ask, what do you think, it we're going to integrate that: >>>> a) should it be optional or we can use it by default? >>>> b) if it is optional, what is default setting on/off? >>>> >>>> I vote for (a).. Because: >>> ^^^ >>> a) as not-optional :) >>> >>>> What i finding hard is imagining situation, where old behavior will be >>>> less time consuming/more appropriate. >>>> Can anyone can come up with cons arguments? >>>> >>>> While is important to fully control each whitespace character(s) >>>> separately, when you editing/typing text (as in languages like Python >>>> they even make it part of syntax... (what a stupid idea.. can't resist >>>> sorry)), for navigating the text an importance of stepping over every >>>> whitespace character seems to be leaning to zero.. (well, at least in >>>> my eyes). >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > <ContextPart-doPrimitivemethodreceiverargs.st>

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Dedicated to days of wasted time in your life, formatting source code for replacing spaces with tabs

by Igor Stasenko

On 12 March 2012 21:23, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Igor > > would it be not more clever to integrate keyMapper and add Ctrl-a Ctrl-e > because has that since decades now? It is orthogonal. Ctrl-a btw selects all text.. which kind-of windowish behavior, but it is also quite useful. > I would not integrate such change in its current state > > Because for me going back one character is important and it is important to jump at the beginning of the line Stef, you can go back & forth by one character, unless you are at multiple whitespace characters, which is treated as single whitespace. This is not my invention. I borrowing that from typography systems, a white space between words treated as a single whitespace, because usually, a typography system using kerning rules and adjusts spaces width in order to justify text in a line so it will align to column edges. You can take any newspaper and see the effect. Obviously, nobody using multiple spaces in text to align it.. because space width may vary. And hence, no need to put more than one space between words. Tabs having special meaning , however. Usually they used at the beginning of line. And usually again, you don't need to be able to navigate to each particular tab character, you always want to navigate either to start of line, or to start of a text.. and this is 1 key stroke with my patch, with one finger. no need to use ctrl-a /ctrl-e > but that I know how to do it: ctrl-A and at the end Ctrl-e. > Cut a line Ctrl-Kâ¦. > > So ... > so try format the attached. and you will see a difference > Stef > > > On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 12 March 2012 03:50, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> sorry for not explaining the feature properly.. >>> >>> I just wanna ask, what do you think, it we're going to integrate that: >>> Â a) should it be optional or we can use it by default? >>> Â b) if it is optional, what is default setting on/off? >>> >>> I vote for (a).. Because: >> ^^^ >> a) as not-optional :) >> >>> What i finding hard is imagining situation, where old behavior will be >>> less time consuming/more appropriate. >>> Can anyone can come up with cons arguments? >>> >>> While is important to fully control each whitespace character(s) >>> separately, when you editing/typing text (as in languages like Python >>> they even make it part of syntax... (what a stupid idea.. can't resist >>> sorry)), for navigating the text an importance of stepping over every >>> whitespace character seems to be leaning to zero.. (well, at least in >>> my eyes). >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] interesting source code inconsistency

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Pavel, On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Thank you, Eliot. I updated the issue report. > I'm grabbing the changes for Squeak trunk. But I don't see why one should do cleanOutUndeclared in testMethodsWithUnboundGlobals. It doesn't affect the result of the test (since methodsWittUnboundGlobals filters-out Undeclared) and introduces a side-effect of running tests. > -- Pavel > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Pavel, > >> > >> I presume they are found by the following: > >> > >> SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: > >> [:m| > >> m literals anySatisfy: > >> [:l| > >> l isVariableBinding > >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" > >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] > >> > >> This could be a "browse unbound", and could be included in release tests > >> via e.g. > >> > >> SystemNavigation>methodsWithUnboundGlobals > >> ^self allSelect: > >> [:m| > >> m literals anySatisfy: > >> [:l| > >> l isVariableBinding > >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" > >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] > >> > >> (or whereever Pharo puts browsing queries these days) > > > > > > and I suppose it should exclude Undeclared variables, so this is better: > > > > SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: > > [:m| > > m literals anySatisfy: > > [:l| > > l isVariableBinding > > and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" > > and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil > > and: [(Undeclared includesAssociation: l) not]]]]] > > > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Pavel Krivanek > >> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> the method DefaultSettingStyle>>#load includes several obsolete > >>> classes (RBProgramNode, RBConfigurableFormatter, > >>> RefactoryChangeManager). It is interesting that this inconsistency is > >>> not reported by Undeclared nor obsoleteClasses (so release tests are > >>> green). The literals array contains associations to nil pointed only > >>> from the literal array of this method. > >>> > >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5463 > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> -- Pavel > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> best, > >> Eliot > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > best, > > Eliot > > > > -- best, Eliot

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Finally, jenkins were able to build win32 VM.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks Igor. Guys can you try and report if you have problems? Stef On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > after fixing some compilation errors.. which is strange, but i didn't > have time to check how/why they were introduced.. > > Try it out: > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/Cog-Win32/21/ > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Smalltalk Dev + Runtime IDE..

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

excellent! I would love to have a Pharo IDE on some tablet. Olivier I would love to try on your tablet :) Stef On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:10 AM, S Krish wrote: > Pharo Media player is a one hour quick fix, simple morphic UI that invokes mplayer / mpg123 via CommandShell. > > Little cleaner, fancier you can mimic a Windows Media Player with graphics et al.. certainly make it better than Banshee.. > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Everything is Pharo end to end... all panels, icons included > > Just that for several programs it invokes the CommandShell to the application in OS. > > The intent is drive it on top of say Tiny Core Linux or a stripped Ubuntu and let Pharo be the IDE.. > > I am sure my kid enjoys this more than the standard Windows / Linux IDE. For beginners it is a way of saying development is fun and fusion of runtime and development > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:18 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Thanks for sharing that with us. > I like the way of displaying methods :). > This is good to see other experiences, now are the large icons also in pharo. > I mean do I understand correctly that you have a pharo media player :). > > Stef > > On Mar 11, 2012, at 8:37 PM, S Krish wrote: > > > album > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/skrishnamachari/PharoTabletIDE > > > > Raw Preview of Pharo as a Dev and Runtime IDE: perhaps for the OS too..! > > > >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Polymorph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:55 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > Sorry guys, bogged down with client work hopefully next week... > I'll see if I can at least have my colleagues get some videos published in the meantime. Clients are more important :) Now we love videos of cool pharo projects! Stef

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Store your source code in the cloud using Amazon S3

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > On 11 Mar 2012, at 12:04, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> marcus will love that. > > I know ;-) > >> Do you have an idea of the price? > > Currently, I am beta testing this, if there is interest I might take this further. Please contact me, off list. > > Pricing would be either free for public accessible, fully open source licensed repositories with reasonable resource consumption (let's say < 100Mb storage, normal traffic), or some acceptable yearly amount for closed or commercial licensed repositories (total size < 1Gb, normal traffic) with basic support. I like the idea to see if there is a commercial interest for such service. > Sven > > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > > > >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Dedicated to days of wasted time in your life, formatting source code for replacing spaces with tabs

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Igor would it be not more clever to integrate keyMapper and add Ctrl-a Ctrl-e because has that since decades now? I would not integrate such change in its current state Because for me going back one character is important and it is important to jump at the beginning of the line but that I know how to do it: ctrl-A and at the end Ctrl-e. Cut a line Ctrl-Kâ¦. So ... Stef On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 12 March 2012 03:50, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> sorry for not explaining the feature properly.. >> >> I just wanna ask, what do you think, it we're going to integrate that: >> a) should it be optional or we can use it by default? >> b) if it is optional, what is default setting on/off? >> >> I vote for (a).. Because: > ^^^ > a) as not-optional :) > >> What i finding hard is imagining situation, where old behavior will be >> less time consuming/more appropriate. >> Can anyone can come up with cons arguments? >> >> While is important to fully control each whitespace character(s) >> separately, when you editing/typing text (as in languages like Python >> they even make it part of syntax... (what a stupid idea.. can't resist >> sorry)), for navigating the text an importance of stepping over every >> whitespace character seems to be leaning to zero.. (well, at least in >> my eyes). >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Increase populatity of Pharo by doing some Killer-OpenSource-Tools

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Mar 12, 2012, at 11:01 AM, S Krish wrote: > I would say publish an environment like iPad/ Android totally out of Pharo and let there be a marketplace for all apps any developer in Pharo can create in 3 days - 90 days and publish it in a Pharo Marketplace that has a commercial interest attached or make it open source/ free thereof. > > See: http://picasaweb.google.com/skrishnamachari/PharoTabletIDE > > Once you can grow a profit center out of this environment, all this popularity et als will flow Keep pushing what you are doing because this is really cool. Stef

March 12, 2012