September 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] systemNavigation cleaning

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi all I'm cleaning SystemNavigation (no comment). Now I really SystemNavigation to be able to navigate a given environment (instance of SystemDictionary). Therefore I introduced an analyzedEnvironment and I will funnel most methods to use it. Now some queries are doing memory scanning (allBehaviorDo:) so I would like to use the following semantics for the method names all* will refer to methods that are not respecting the analyzedEnvironment but could scan the complete memory and I would like to introduce their pendant to convey the fact that they only take as input a given environment. Example allClasses vs classes This would allow us to have in place a nice infrastructure to load and analyse code in a separate environment and do atomica loading. This was done like that in VW30. What do you think. Stef

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [OSProcess] Proposal for Pharo 1.2 compatibility

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi david I think that you should wait. 1.1 is stable and out. 1.2 is in flux. When 1.2 gets in beta this will be time to settle down things. Cyrille I know why you want 1.2 version else you cannot build a hudson working solution to run top of the edge version. Now I will do the changes suggested by henrik to get a backward compatible version. I suggest to use metacello to control version now I understand that people want to avoid branching now it means that we (the people working on the unstable stream may lack tools but this is ok). Stef On Sep 3, 2010, at 6:30 PM, David T. Lewis wrote: > On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:03:31PM +0200, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I would suggest to replace the two methods >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> OSPRocess class >> platformName >> "After Squeak version 3.6, #platformName was moved to SmalltalkImage " >> >> ^ ((Smalltalk classNamed: 'SmalltalkImage') >> ifNil: [^ Smalltalk platformName]) current platformName >> >> OSPRocess class >> osVersion >> "After Squeak version 3.6, #osVersion was moved to SmalltalkImage " >> >> ^ ((Smalltalk classNamed: 'SmalltalkImage') >> ifNil: [^ Smalltalk osVersion]) current osVersion >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> by: >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> OSProcess class >> platformName >> ^ ((Smalltalk classNamed: 'OSPlatform') >> ifNil: [ >> (Smalltalk classNamed: 'SmalltalkImage') current >> ifNil: [^ Smalltalk platformName]]) platformName >> >> OSProcess class >> osVersion >> ^ ((Smalltalk classNamed: 'OSPlatform') >> ifNil: [ >> (Smalltalk classNamed: 'SmalltalkImage') current >> ifNil: [^ Smalltalk osVersion]]) osVersion >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> to avoid deprecation messages when using it in Pharo 1.2. Does it looks >> good? I'm not able to publish on the squeaksource repository > > This failed on the first Pharo image that I tried, which was a > Pharo-1.1-11400-rc2dev10.06.1 image. I think this is the subject > of some recent refactoring, so I'm not sure if it's safe to use > it yet (will somebody try to load OSProcess in one of the images > that has OSPlatform but that does not yet have the #platformName > refactoring?). > > I expect that there are several versions of Pharo in general > circulation, so can someone give me some guidance as to whether > it is safe to code for "OSPlatform current platformName" as the > expected idiom on Pharo, or should we wait a while and live with > the deprecation warnings? > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Native (OS-level) windows

by Evgeniy Philippov

Well... I think I depart from the task. I rethinked my approach to programming languages, and concluded that at the very core concepts of the language, the Smalltalk is somewhat erratic in design. Yes it has a simplified conventions and syntax---but these don't matter much with regard to certain specific needs of programming---and I currently find that having overly flexible not very fundamental-minded interpretive semantics for if-then-else (as a random example) is counterproductive and flawed, since it gives an incorrect structure of the system. That's just an opinion---but yes, Smalltalk is an important step to the languages of the future. Best wishes to you all, Evgeniy P.S. Unsubscribing from this place of flowering of life :) Please reply privately, I am not at the list anymore. On 03/09/10 18:20, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi evgeniy > > We would love to see any progress in the direction of having feenestri working for Pharo now we do not have simply the task forces. > So if you do any changes in the system to help you in this task send the patches and changes so that life is easier for you and > we can get this done in the future. > > Stef > > On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Evgeniy Philippov wrote: > >> Hello folks and Todd Blanchard, >> >> I have three questions. First question is---what is the current status of Ffenestri, and where can I download some version of Pharo with the most up-to-date Ffenestri support? The second question is---what are the other Pharo OS-level windowing interfaces, and what is their status? And the last question is---what is more complete: Squeak's Ffenestri support, or Pharo's Ffenestri support? >> >> My intents. I plan to use some version of Squeak or Pharo system for my project (which is a hobby project), and I am mainly interested in OS-level windowing for Linux (Ubuntu) and to a lesser extent for Win32 too. I studied wxSqueak a bit, and concluded that Ffenestri is overall simpler to develop than wxSqueak, and guessed that Ffenestri moves/will move faster when considering the completeness of it, than wxSqueak. >> >> -- >> Evgeniy >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestSprinter

by TimM

On 02/09/2010 23:54, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A keyboard shortcut to run the tests directly without a mouse (ideally a way to run the single test my cursor is on, its suite of tests, and all tests like you imply above). > > Are you aware of Cmd-t in OB(2) ? I have to confess that is an area I don't understand in Pharo - which Browser system am I using? OB, OB2, isn't there another one as well? I don't understand why there seems to be different types of browsers - and it seems that different versions of pharo have shipped with different ones making it even more confusing? So in 1.1 am I just using OB? And should I be using OB2? (Or why wouldn't I use OB2?) I'll move this to the user list if thats more appropriate. Tim

Sept. 3, 2010