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Re: [Pharo-project] How disable debugger?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

have a look at the handler of UnhandledError>>defaultAction ^ UIManager default unhandledErrorDefaultAction: self exception so you can define a different UIManager for example Stef On Jul 22, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > Hello > > Is it possible write all exceptions to log and dont show debugger? > How I can do this? > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

[Pharo-project] How disable debugger?

by Denis Kudriashov

Hello Is it possible write all exceptions to log and dont show debugger? How I can do this?

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important?

by Alexandre Bergel

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2710 Alexandre On 22 Jul 2010, at 10:10, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > The first thing is to open a ticket. Then start to work. I just did a simple test in my pc and at least it didn't freeze, neither DNU. But when I started to run test, I start with the DNU. Maybe they need to be fixed and that's all. I don't know. > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:06 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Ok thanks for all these encouragements. > Now if you have some free (ok less busy) cycles, any step in that direction is welcome. > > Stef > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > > > How about : > > > > become: nil > > > > :) > > > > ----------------- > > Benoit St-Jean > > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > > (Albert Einstein) > > > > > > > > > > From: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:56:28 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? > > > > Zap, kill, obliterate, destroy, etc., simultaneously :) > > > > > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Hernan Wilkinson > > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:46 PM > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? > > > > the same happens to me all the time... so I do as if it does not exist :-), I just override it... I agree it should not be Object's protocol. > > > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > ideally I would love to get rid of it and externalName and friends.... now > > there are probably deep reasons for now. > > > > Stef > > > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Time to time, I need to create a #name method on my class. But I found a bit ugly to do an override. > > > Is Object>>name that important? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Alexandre > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > Turn down-time into play-time with Messenger games Play Now! _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks for the analysis. Let us what other things. We will really hosted and use the inria infrastructure for the key elements in the future. Now I will ask them mid august when we can have it. but I like the idea of mirroring. On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote: > Would be nice if there would be a few people discussing the trade-offs. As my current project comes slowly to an end I will find some time to be active in this. > > My proposal would go like this: > > - the most important thing to achieve is to have sources of projects available > - in the beginning we can live with a setup that might be a "little" cumbersome to use > > A first solution that is easy to set up and that is reliable is: > > - www.squeaksource.com is the master where all projects are created > - mirrors copy source files via rsync to distant machines and provide WebDAV shares with the same directory layout as squeaksource > - squeaksources WebDAV is read-write while the mirrors WebDAVs are read-only. This way rsync is already the best choice. There can be only data transfered from squeaksource to a mirror > > > What use case will be feasible: > > - a user searches for a project on squeaksource and copies the MC http repository snippet in his monticello browser > - now the user has the central read-write location at his side. > - if squeaksource is down a user picks another http repository from a list of mirros, enters it in monticello and downloads source from the new location > - if the user is a developer and wants to store a project change now gets an error if he tries to store it on the mirror. The developer than just clicks on the central location and stores it there > > Things to solve: > > - where is the list of mirrors maintained > - how would tools like metacello copy with different locations. I know there is support for alternate locations but AFAIK only if there are placed inside the ConfigurationOfxxx. I don't think it is an option to put in mirror locations in the ConfigurationOfxxx. > - files can still be uploaded to squeaksource more or less "anonymously" which interferes with inria policies > > So far... > > Norbert > > On 22.07.2010, at 10:08, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> ok thanks for the explanation. >> Now I do not know who have the time to build such a set up. >> If we can prototype a version then >> we could after offer to have it maintain by the inria engineers and this is good because >> it will reinforce also our presence inside. >> >> >>>>>> how your server is backed up? >>>>>> Then we should pay attention not to end u having multiple of sources around before we can deal with the mess >>>>>> this may create. >>>>>> We got the ok from inria for a webdav server (the problem was that from a security view point, having >>>>>> an anonymous write was a no go. So now we will do >>>>>> - write only inbox >>>>>> - inputs are then checked to be only .mcz >>>>>> - then automatically copied to a readonly inbox >>>>>> - pharo* projects should be >>>>>> read and write for the people registered to the forge. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Great, this is only for Pharo or you want to mirror also Squeak projects ? >>>> >>>> We do not know. For now at least the Pharo* repositories and the ones that are central XML-.... >>>> Ideally I would prefer to have everything in the same place and we have no problem hosting squeak projects. >>>> Now what is more important is build a kind of process to clean projects, there are a lot of projects which got created >>>> but >>>> - were never really used >>>> - are students code exercises >>>> So may be starting with a metacello config for every working one could be a start. >>>> >>>> The problem is that you lose all the nice aspects of squeak-source: UI to manage the commiters..... >>>> So we should check with the effort of dale and philippe and others on the gemstone version of squeaksource. >>>> >>> I don't think you loose anything. You need to separate write and read. You still create a project on squeaksource and this creates a WebDav directory for it. If the mirrors sync than this project is replicated to all other mirrors. From this point in time a client can just use a list of mirrors to fetch the source from a different server if the master is down. It is easy as this. No need to install squeaksource on the mirrors. This scenario even applies if you take the gemstone based squeaksource into account. To me it is really just a matter of who is doing the failover handling: user or client. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

yes the doit approach! Stef On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > The first thing is to open a ticket. Then start to work. I just did a simple test in my pc and at least it didn't freeze, neither DNU. But when I started to run test, I start with the DNU. Maybe they need to be fixed and that's all. I don't know. > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:06 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Ok thanks for all these encouragements. > Now if you have some free (ok less busy) cycles, any step in that direction is welcome. > > Stef > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > > > How about : > > > > become: nil > > > > :) > > > > ----------------- > > Benoit St-Jean > > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > > (Albert Einstein) > > > > > > > > > > From: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:56:28 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? > > > > Zap, kill, obliterate, destroy, etc., simultaneously :) > > > > > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Hernan Wilkinson > > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:46 PM > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? > > > > the same happens to me all the time... so I do as if it does not exist :-), I just override it... I agree it should not be Object's protocol. > > > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > ideally I would love to get rid of it and externalName and friends.... now > > there are probably deep reasons for now. > > > > Stef > > > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Time to time, I need to create a #name method on my class. But I found a bit ugly to do an override. > > > Is Object>>name that important? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Alexandre > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > Turn down-time into play-time with Messenger games Play Now! _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ImageMorph Vs SketchMorph Vs ThumbnailImageMorph

by Gary Chambers

You can alway use an AlphaImageMorph with layout #scaled... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ImageMorph Vs SketchMorph Vs ThumbnailImageMorph > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 6:50 PM, nullPointer wrote: > >> >> Hi, excuse me for my english. > > don't do that all the time. You are excuse now! > >> With old SketchMorph, when was resized with mouse the image did adapt to >> size of "container", with "stretched" mode. With ImageMorph the size is >> always the same of Form. I did try then the ThumbnailImageMorph, but when >> is >> resized the image disappears and morph is showed like a simple white >> morph. >> How can I reproduce the old behavior of SketchMorph? >> >> I try for example that-> >> >> aImage := ThumbnailImageMorph new openInWorld; grabFromScreen. >> aImage extent: 50@50. "That lose the visible image and show >> white >> morph" >> >> I wait I explain your right the problem. > > may be we broke ThumbnailImageMorph :) > > >> Regards >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/ImageMorph-Vs-SketchMorph-Vs-ThumbnailImageMorph-tp22… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Pharo application icon

by Johannes Rasche

THX for that hint, I didn't know the book up to now Am 22.07.2010 um 11:50 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: > > > 2010/7/22 Johannes Rasche <johannesrasche(a)mac.com> > thank you all, > > I did it, > > the effect was: it showed some general Apple drawing icon > after reboot as well > > but then I did, what is suitable for replacing folders icons: > show information (of Pharo on-click) > select the icon top left > and replace it using cmd-v > by an own icon copied directly from a preview of an icns file > > BTW StÃ©phane: > what do you mean by "add to the book" > > To write a little section if the Pharo collaborative book. > http://book.pharo-project.org/ > > If you want a user/password let me know and I create it for you. > You are welcome to write :) > > Maybe we can put in the how-to section: > http://book.pharo-project.org/book/TipsAndTricks/ > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > Johannes > > Am 22.07.2010 um 09:55 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse: > >> 5) add to the book :) >> >> On Jul 22, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> My guess is that the icon is the VM icon+ >>> >>> I think that yes. In Mac OS, what you have to do is: >>> >>> 1) Go to your vm (for example Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app), and copy it (backup) with another name in case you don't like the icons >>> 2) Go to the original VM -> right button -> Show package content >>> 3) Check in the directory /Contents/Resources/ and you will notice all the icons that are used for spicifics files: the .image, .changes, etc. You can select your owns, put exactly the same file name and override them. >>> 4) A reboot may help to see all the changes >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-application-icon-tp2298239p2298241.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Pharo application icon

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/7/22 Johannes Rasche <johannesrasche(a)mac.com> > thank you all, > > I did it, > > the effect was: it showed some general Apple drawing icon > after reboot as well > > but then I did, what is suitable for replacing folders icons: > > - show information (of Pharo on-click) > - select the icon top left > - and replace it using cmd-v > - by an own icon copied directly from a preview of an icns file > > > BTW StÃ©phane: > what do you mean by "add to the book" > To write a little section if the Pharo collaborative book. http://book.pharo-project.org/ If you want a user/password let me know and I create it for you. You are welcome to write :) Maybe we can put in the how-to section: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/TipsAndTricks/ Cheers Mariano > > Johannes > > Am 22.07.2010 um 09:55 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse: > > 5) add to the book :) > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > My guess is that the icon is the VM icon+ > > > I think that yes. In Mac OS, what you have to do is: > > > 1) Go to your vm (for example Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app), and copy it > (backup) with another name in case you don't like the icons > > 2) Go to the original VM -> right button -> Show package content > > 3) Check in the directory /Contents/Resources/ and you will notice all the > icons that are used for spicifics files: the .image, .changes, etc. You can > select your owns, put exactly the same file name and override them. > > 4) A reboot may help to see all the changes > > > Cheers > > > Mariano > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-application-icon-tp2298239p2298241.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Pharo application icon

by Serge Stinckwich

2010/7/22 Johannes Rasche <johannesrasche(a)mac.com>: > thank you all, > I did it, > the effect was: it showed some general Apple drawing icon > after reboot as well > but then I did, what is suitable for replacing folders icons: > > show information (of Pharo on-click) > select the icon top left > and replace it using cmd-v > by an own icon copied directly from a preview of an icns file > > BTW StÃ©phane: > what do you mean by "add to the book" It mean that you could add this information into the collaboractive Pharo book : http://book.pharo-project.org/ -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

July 22, 2010

[Pharo-project] Fwd: Pharo application icon

by Johannes Rasche

thank you all, I did it, the effect was: it showed some general Apple drawing icon after reboot as well but then I did, what is suitable for replacing folders icons: show information (of Pharo on-click) select the icon top left and replace it using cmd-v by an own icon copied directly from a preview of an icns file BTW StÃ©phane: what do you mean by "add to the book" Johannes Am 22.07.2010 um 09:55 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse: > 5) add to the book :) > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> My guess is that the icon is the VM icon+ >> >> I think that yes. In Mac OS, what you have to do is: >> >> 1) Go to your vm (for example Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app), and copy it (backup) with another name in case you don't like the icons >> 2) Go to the original VM -> right button -> Show package content >> 3) Check in the directory /Contents/Resources/ and you will notice all the icons that are used for spicifics files: the .image, .changes, etc. You can select your owns, put exactly the same file name and override them. >> 4) A reboot may help to see all the changes >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-application-icon-tp2298239p2298241.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo application icon

by Simon Denier

On 22 juil. 2010, at 11:27, Simon Denier wrote: > > You can also follow this procedure: > > http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2493 Sorry, I forgot to tell that this solution works only if you want to change the icon for one file (like the VM file), not if you want to change the icon for all images for example. Mariano's solution is the way to go then. > > > On 22 juil. 2010, at 09:48, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> My guess is that the icon is the VM icon+ >> >> I think that yes. In Mac OS, what you have to do is: >> >> 1) Go to your vm (for example Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app), and copy it (backup) with another name in case you don't like the icons >> 2) Go to the original VM -> right button -> Show package content >> 3) Check in the directory /Contents/Resources/ and you will notice all the icons that are used for spicifics files: the .image, .changes, etc. You can select your owns, put exactly the same file name and override them. >> 4) A reboot may help to see all the changes >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-application-icon-tp2298239p2298241.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Simon > > > -- Simon

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo application icon

by Simon Denier

You can also follow this procedure: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2493 On 22 juil. 2010, at 09:48, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > My guess is that the icon is the VM icon+ > > I think that yes. In Mac OS, what you have to do is: > > 1) Go to your vm (for example Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app), and copy it (backup) with another name in case you don't like the icons > 2) Go to the original VM -> right button -> Show package content > 3) Check in the directory /Contents/Resources/ and you will notice all the icons that are used for spicifics files: the .image, .changes, etc. You can select your owns, put exactly the same file name and override them. > 4) A reboot may help to see all the changes > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-application-icon-tp2298239p2298241.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Simon

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Norbert Hartl

Would be nice if there would be a few people discussing the trade-offs. As my current project comes slowly to an end I will find some time to be active in this. My proposal would go like this: - the most important thing to achieve is to have sources of projects available - in the beginning we can live with a setup that might be a "little" cumbersome to use A first solution that is easy to set up and that is reliable is: - www.squeaksource.com is the master where all projects are created - mirrors copy source files via rsync to distant machines and provide WebDAV shares with the same directory layout as squeaksource - squeaksources WebDAV is read-write while the mirrors WebDAVs are read-only. This way rsync is already the best choice. There can be only data transfered from squeaksource to a mirror What use case will be feasible: - a user searches for a project on squeaksource and copies the MC http repository snippet in his monticello browser - now the user has the central read-write location at his side. - if squeaksource is down a user picks another http repository from a list of mirros, enters it in monticello and downloads source from the new location - if the user is a developer and wants to store a project change now gets an error if he tries to store it on the mirror. The developer than just clicks on the central location and stores it there Things to solve: - where is the list of mirrors maintained - how would tools like metacello copy with different locations. I know there is support for alternate locations but AFAIK only if there are placed inside the ConfigurationOfxxx. I don't think it is an option to put in mirror locations in the ConfigurationOfxxx. - files can still be uploaded to squeaksource more or less "anonymously" which interferes with inria policies So far... Norbert On 22.07.2010, at 10:08, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > ok thanks for the explanation. > Now I do not know who have the time to build such a set up. > If we can prototype a version then > we could after offer to have it maintain by the inria engineers and this is good because > it will reinforce also our presence inside. > > >>>>> how your server is backed up? >>>>> Then we should pay attention not to end u having multiple of sources around before we can deal with the mess >>>>> this may create. >>>>> We got the ok from inria for a webdav server (the problem was that from a security view point, having >>>>> an anonymous write was a no go. So now we will do >>>>> - write only inbox >>>>> - inputs are then checked to be only .mcz >>>>> - then automatically copied to a readonly inbox >>>>> - pharo* projects should be >>>>> read and write for the people registered to the forge. >>>> >>>> >>>> Great, this is only for Pharo or you want to mirror also Squeak projects ? >>> >>> We do not know. For now at least the Pharo* repositories and the ones that are central XML-.... >>> Ideally I would prefer to have everything in the same place and we have no problem hosting squeak projects. >>> Now what is more important is build a kind of process to clean projects, there are a lot of projects which got created >>> but >>> - were never really used >>> - are students code exercises >>> So may be starting with a metacello config for every working one could be a start. >>> >>> The problem is that you lose all the nice aspects of squeak-source: UI to manage the commiters..... >>> So we should check with the effort of dale and philippe and others on the gemstone version of squeaksource. >>> >> I don't think you loose anything. You need to separate write and read. You still create a project on squeaksource and this creates a WebDav directory for it. If the mirrors sync than this project is replicated to all other mirrors. From this point in time a client can just use a list of mirrors to fetch the source from a different server if the master is down. It is easy as this. No need to install squeaksource on the mirrors. This scenario even applies if you take the gemstone based squeaksource into account. To me it is really just a matter of who is doing the failover handling: user or client. >> >> Norbert >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

The first thing is to open a ticket. Then start to work. I just did a simple test in my pc and at least it didn't freeze, neither DNU. But when I started to run test, I start with the DNU. Maybe they need to be fixed and that's all. I don't know. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:06 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Ok thanks for all these encouragements. > Now if you have some free (ok less busy) cycles, any step in that direction > is welcome. > > Stef > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > > > How about : > > > > become: nil > > > > :) > > > > ----------------- > > Benoit St-Jean > > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > > (Albert Einstein) > > > > > > > > > > From: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:56:28 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? > > > > Zap, kill, obliterate, destroy, etc., simultaneously :) > > > > > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Hernan Wilkinson > > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:46 PM > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? > > > > the same happens to me all the time... so I do as if it does not exist > :-), I just override it... I agree it should not be Object's protocol. > > > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > ideally I would love to get rid of it and externalName and friends.... > now > > there are probably deep reasons for now. > > > > Stef > > > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Time to time, I need to create a #name method on my class. But I found > a bit ugly to do an override. > > > Is Object>>name that important? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Alexandre > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > Turn down-time into play-time with Messenger games Play Now! > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

ok thanks for the explanation. Now I do not know who have the time to build such a set up. If we can prototype a version then we could after offer to have it maintain by the inria engineers and this is good because it will reinforce also our presence inside. >>>> how your server is backed up? >>>> Then we should pay attention not to end u having multiple of sources around before we can deal with the mess >>>> this may create. >>>> We got the ok from inria for a webdav server (the problem was that from a security view point, having >>>> an anonymous write was a no go. So now we will do >>>> - write only inbox >>>> - inputs are then checked to be only .mcz >>>> - then automatically copied to a readonly inbox >>>> - pharo* projects should be >>>> read and write for the people registered to the forge. >>> >>> >>> Great, this is only for Pharo or you want to mirror also Squeak projects ? >> >> We do not know. For now at least the Pharo* repositories and the ones that are central XML-.... >> Ideally I would prefer to have everything in the same place and we have no problem hosting squeak projects. >> Now what is more important is build a kind of process to clean projects, there are a lot of projects which got created >> but >> - were never really used >> - are students code exercises >> So may be starting with a metacello config for every working one could be a start. >> >> The problem is that you lose all the nice aspects of squeak-source: UI to manage the commiters..... >> So we should check with the effort of dale and philippe and others on the gemstone version of squeaksource. >> > I don't think you loose anything. You need to separate write and read. You still create a project on squeaksource and this creates a WebDav directory for it. If the mirrors sync than this project is replicated to all other mirrors. From this point in time a client can just use a list of mirrors to fetch the source from a different server if the master is down. It is easy as this. No need to install squeaksource on the mirrors. This scenario even applies if you take the gemstone based squeaksource into account. To me it is really just a matter of who is doing the failover handling: user or client. > > Norbert > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> > > Yes sure there is a lot of trash in the SqueakSource repository. Maybe > we could organize the repository in the front page the way github > (http://github.com/explore ) are doing. What is important to see are > the most active projects ;-) if somebody has the time. > A lot of functionalities could be copied from github i guess. What > could be nice also is to be able to see a MC repository as a git > repository. I dunno if it's feasible, but it could give a lot of > exposure in the open-source community to Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk > projects than today. I know that people are working on using git to store code. Now I do not know more. > Thank you for what you are doing for the community. > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo application icon

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

5) add to the book :) On Jul 22, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > My guess is that the icon is the VM icon+ > > I think that yes. In Mac OS, what you have to do is: > > 1) Go to your vm (for example Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app), and copy it (backup) with another name in case you don't like the icons > 2) Go to the original VM -> right button -> Show package content > 3) Check in the directory /Contents/Resources/ and you will notice all the icons that are used for spicifics files: the .image, .changes, etc. You can select your owns, put exactly the same file name and override them. > 4) A reboot may help to see all the changes > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-application-icon-tp2298239p2298241.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Geert Claes

and a integrated Issue Tracker would be the icing on the cake :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2298269.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Norbert Hartl

On 22.07.2010, at 09:19, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> how your server is backed up? >>> Then we should pay attention not to end u having multiple of sources around before we can deal with the mess >>> this may create. >>> We got the ok from inria for a webdav server (the problem was that from a security view point, having >>> an anonymous write was a no go. So now we will do >>> - write only inbox >>> - inputs are then checked to be only .mcz >>> - then automatically copied to a readonly inbox >>> - pharo* projects should be >>> read and write for the people registered to the forge. >> >> >> Great, this is only for Pharo or you want to mirror also Squeak projects ? > > We do not know. For now at least the Pharo* repositories and the ones that are central XML-.... > Ideally I would prefer to have everything in the same place and we have no problem hosting squeak projects. > Now what is more important is build a kind of process to clean projects, there are a lot of projects which got created > but > - were never really used > - are students code exercises > So may be starting with a metacello config for every working one could be a start. > > The problem is that you lose all the nice aspects of squeak-source: UI to manage the commiters..... > So we should check with the effort of dale and philippe and others on the gemstone version of squeaksource. > I don't think you loose anything. You need to separate write and read. You still create a project on squeaksource and this creates a WebDav directory for it. If the mirrors sync than this project is replicated to all other mirrors. From this point in time a client can just use a list of mirrors to fetch the source from a different server if the master is down. It is easy as this. No need to install squeaksource on the mirrors. This scenario even applies if you take the gemstone based squeaksource into account. To me it is really just a matter of who is doing the failover handling: user or client. Norbert

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Geert Claes

Serge Stinckwich-2 wrote: > > Yes sure there is a lot of trash in the SqueakSource repository. Maybe we > could organize the repository in the front page the way github > (http://github.com/explore ) are doing. What is important to see are > the most active projects ;-) > > A lot of functionalities could be copied from github i guess. What could > be nice also is to be able to see a MC repository as a git repository. I > dunno if it's feasible, but it could give a lot of exposure in the > open-source community to Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk projects than today. > I would also stick with one common term as apposed to "project" vs "repository" and out of those 2 "repository" probably makes the most sense. There is probably not much added value of having "groups" or "teams" either. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2298264.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo application icon

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > My guess is that the icon is the VM icon+ > I think that yes. In Mac OS, what you have to do is: 1) Go to your vm (for example Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app), and copy it (backup) with another name in case you don't like the icons 2) Go to the original VM -> right button -> Show package content 3) Check in the directory /Contents/Resources/ and you will notice all the icons that are used for spicifics files: the .image, .changes, etc. You can select your owns, put exactly the same file name and override them. 4) A reboot may help to see all the changes Cheers Mariano > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-application-icon-tp2298239p2298241.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Serge Stinckwich

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:19 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> how your server is backed up? >>> Then we should pay attention not to end u having multiple of sources around before we can deal with the mess >>> this may create. >>> We got the ok from inria for a webdav server (the problem was that from a security view point, having >>> an anonymous write was a no go. So now we will do >>> Â Â Â Â - write only inbox >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â - inputs are then checked to be only .mcz >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â - then automatically copied to a readonly inbox >>> Â Â Â Â - pharo* projects should be >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â read and write for the people registered to the forge. >> >> >> Great, this is only for Pharo or you want to mirror also Squeak projects ? > > We do not know. For now at least the Pharo* repositories and the ones that are central XML-.... > Ideally I would prefer to have everything in the same place and we have no problem hosting squeak projects. > Now what is more important is build a kind of process to clean projects, there are a lot of projects which got created > but > Â Â Â Â - were never really used > Â Â Â Â - are students code exercises > So may be starting with a metacello config for every working one could be a start. > > The problem is that you lose all the nice aspects of squeak-source: UI to manage the commiters..... > So we should check with the effort of dale and philippe and others on the gemstone version of squeaksource. Yes sure there is a lot of trash in the SqueakSource repository. Maybe we could organize the repository in the front page the way github (http://github.com/explore ) are doing. What is important to see are the most active projects ;-) A lot of functionalities could be copied from github i guess. What could be nice also is to be able to see a MC repository as a git repository. I dunno if it's feasible, but it could give a lot of exposure in the open-source community to Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk projects than today. Thank you for what you are doing for the community. -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo application icon

by Geert Claes

My guess is that the icon is the VM icon -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-application-icon-tp2298239p2298241.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Norbert Hartl

The server is backed up at the hosting provider using duplicity (http://duplicity.nongnu.org/) We have a 100GB space for backups but I need to increase this anyway. As far as I know they use a tape-robot for archival. How much data are we speaking of? Norbert On 22.07.2010, at 09:10, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > how your server is backed up? > Then we should pay attention not to end u having multiple of sources around before we can deal with the mess > this may create. > We got the ok from inria for a webdav server (the problem was that from a security view point, having > an anonymous write was a no go. So now we will do > - write only inbox > - inputs are then checked to be only .mcz > - then automatically copied to a readonly inbox > - pharo* projects should be > read and write for the people registered to the forge. > > stef > On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: > >> If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. >> >> Norbert >> >> On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. >>> Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >>>> more and more often now, what can be done? >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

[Pharo-project] Pharo application icon

by Johannes Rasche

Hi folks, I like to have an own app icon, but couldn't figure out, where it is deternined ( I tried to find in the class browser). I found only the icns file inside of the one-click package, but this seems only good for the file system, at least on MAC, it worked, if replaced, but the application icon in the Dock was still the same Thanks in advance Johannes Johannes Rasche Hagelberger Str. 56 10965 Berlin mail: johannesrasche(a)me.com skype: johannesrasche www: http://myNeat.de fon: +49-30-7469 4425

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> how your server is backed up? >> Then we should pay attention not to end u having multiple of sources around before we can deal with the mess >> this may create. >> We got the ok from inria for a webdav server (the problem was that from a security view point, having >> an anonymous write was a no go. So now we will do >> - write only inbox >> - inputs are then checked to be only .mcz >> - then automatically copied to a readonly inbox >> - pharo* projects should be >> read and write for the people registered to the forge. > > > Great, this is only for Pharo or you want to mirror also Squeak projects ? We do not know. For now at least the Pharo* repositories and the ones that are central XML-.... Ideally I would prefer to have everything in the same place and we have no problem hosting squeak projects. Now what is more important is build a kind of process to clean projects, there are a lot of projects which got created but - were never really used - are students code exercises So may be starting with a metacello config for every working one could be a start. The problem is that you lose all the nice aspects of squeak-source: UI to manage the commiters..... So we should check with the effort of dale and philippe and others on the gemstone version of squeaksource. Stef

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Serge Stinckwich

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > how your server is backed up? > Then we should pay attention not to end u having multiple of sources around before we can deal with the mess > this may create. > We got the ok from inria for a webdav server (the problem was that from a security view point, having > an anonymous write was a no go. So now we will do > Â Â Â Â - write only inbox > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â - inputs are then checked to be only .mcz > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â - then automatically copied to a readonly inbox > Â Â Â Â - pharo* projects should be > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â read and write for the people registered to the forge. Great, this is only for Pharo or you want to mirror also Squeak projects ? Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks. I recategorized it and we should fix it. Stef

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Geert Claes

All this sounds pretty cool! I don't want to be too pedantic or cause a ruckus but maybe at the same time a more "non-squeak only" name could be on the cards :D To get the ball rolling I don't mind "SourceTalk" which could even be a subdomain at world.st like ar.st.world.st, de.st.world.st, jp.st.world.st, anyhow just an idea :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2298226.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

how your server is backed up? Then we should pay attention not to end u having multiple of sources around before we can deal with the mess this may create. We got the ok from inria for a webdav server (the problem was that from a security view point, having an anonymous write was a no go. So now we will do - write only inbox - inputs are then checked to be only .mcz - then automatically copied to a readonly inbox - pharo* projects should be read and write for the people registered to the forge. stef On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: > If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. > > Norbert > > On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. >> Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. >> >> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: >> >>> >>> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >>> more and more often now, what can be done? >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Patrick Barroca

I opened this one (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2610) June 30, seems to me that it describes the same behaviour cheers, 2010/7/21 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Stanislav Paskalev <kshorg(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm going through the first chapter of Pharo by Example and the >> Transcript morph behaves somewhat strange. When I type "Transcript >> show: " into a workspace, every time I press space 2 numbers are shown >> in the Transcript, they look like character indexes from the text from >> the workspace it self. >> >> I believe this is non intentional, perhaps some debugging output left over >> ? >> > > Welcome! > > Exactly. I also noticed this and it is for sure a left over some debugging. > What I am not sure if there is an open bug report for this. > > Can someone check and open if it isn't ? > >> >> -- >> And let me congratulate everyone involved in Pharo, it looks really >> polished and makes a very good first impression for newcommers to >> Smalltalk like me :) >> >> Best regards, >> Stanislav Paskalev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Patrick Barroca

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Stanislav Paskalev

I understand, I will stick to the PBE image for the book. Thanks everyone! Stanislav Paskalev 2010/7/22 Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com>: > Thanks for the correction. I tried to say pretty much that but I guess it > came out a bit wrong :p > Max > > On 21.07.2010, at 23:23, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > 2010/7/21 Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> >> >> On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:11 10PM, Max Leske wrote: >> >> You shouldn't use the rc and beta builds. >> >> There's a lot of developement going on and you'll likely experience weird >> behaviour. >> My advice: youse the PBE-image with the 4.0.2 vm. >> You can get the image from here:Â Pharo By Example image >> >> Well, shouldn't is a strong word, we do appreciate reports of issues in RC >> builds. :) > > Yes, mostly becuase we are talking about a RELEASE CANDIDATE, which may not > be the same as using a beta or unstable Pharo 1.2 for example. > >> >> Going through the PBE as an intro to smalltalk, you'd probably appreciate >> the calmer waters of using the PBE-image as Max recommended though. > > > yes > > >> >> Cheers, >> Henry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] fold: ?

by Norbert Hartl

On 21.07.2010, at 18:27, Lukas Renggli wrote: > See <http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2401>. Looks like > it never got merged though. > The test case for it is a really really nice one. Remembers what is different in smalltalk and smalltalk developers: array := Array with: Color red with: Color green with: Color blue. self assert: (array reduce:[:a :b| a + b]) = Color white. I like this so much. thanks, Norbert > Lukas > > On 21 July 2010 18:20, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> hi lukas >> >> I thought that we introduced the equivalent when we were pair programming at my place. >> fold: got introduced in squeak and may be your implementation/API should be pushed there? >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Norbert Hartl

To set up a WebDAV is pretty easy. And you need a two-way sync. For this scenario unison (http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/) works pretty well. It keeps sync state on either side for each client-server combination. If you have one main server than you can sync in a star-scenario where every mirror syncs from the main server and this works really reliable. The stability depends also on the stability of the machine. Servers under the desk of someones working place are usually less reliable then a hosting provider server :) In my opinion the biggest problem is how you like to access this mirror and manage the list of available mirros. The ultimate way is when it happens transparently (one server is down means another one from the list of mirrors is taken). But this needs to be done in the client. On the other side there is some list in some wiki that lists all mirrors. If you are lucky finding the page you find a mirror. To ease this it might be a good idea to assign hostnames like de.mirror.squeaksource.com cl.mirror.squeaksource.com or anything similar. Norbert On 21.07.2010, at 22:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > this would be great to have a mirror indeed. > I do not have the knowledge for that. > But if we go for a web-dav I imagne that rsync would do the trick. > Stef > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> >> Related to that, access to European servers from Latin-America is slow (we need to go through the US in general). It would be cool for the Argentinians and us if there was a LA mirror (read-only). I have a small machine (mac osx) that could be used for that. Would it be possible to set up something like this? >> >> On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> >>> If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. >>>> Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. >>>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >>>>> more and more often now, what can be done? >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> Johan Fabry >> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Max Leske

Thanks for the correction. I tried to say pretty much that but I guess it came out a bit wrong :p Max On 21.07.2010, at 23:23, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > 2010/7/21 Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:11 10PM, Max Leske wrote: > >> You shouldn't use the rc and beta builds. >> There's a lot of developement going on and you'll likely experience weird behaviour. >> My advice: youse the PBE-image with the 4.0.2 vm. >> >> You can get the image from here: Pharo By Example image > > Well, shouldn't is a strong word, we do appreciate reports of issues in RC builds. :) > > Yes, mostly becuase we are talking about a RELEASE CANDIDATE, which may not be the same as using a beta or unstable Pharo 1.2 for example. > > Going through the PBE as an intro to smalltalk, you'd probably appreciate the calmer waters of using the PBE-image as Max recommended though. > > > > yes > > > Cheers, > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/7/21 Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:11 10PM, Max Leske wrote: > > You shouldn't use the rc and beta builds. > > There's a lot of developement going on and you'll likely experience weird > behaviour. > My advice: youse the PBE-image with the 4.0.2 vm. > > You can get the image from here: Pharo By Example image<https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27023/PBE-1.0.zip> > > > Well, shouldn't is a strong word, we do appreciate reports of issues in RC > builds. :) > Yes, mostly becuase we are talking about a RELEASE CANDIDATE, which may not be the same as using a beta or unstable Pharo 1.2 for example. > Going through the PBE as an intro to smalltalk, you'd probably appreciate > the calmer waters of using the PBE-image as Max recommended though. > > yes > Cheers, > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Stanislav Paskalev <kshorg(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm going through the first chapter of Pharo by Example and the > Transcript morph behaves somewhat strange. When I type "Transcript > show: " into a workspace, every time I press space 2 numbers are shown > in the Transcript, they look like character indexes from the text from > the workspace it self. > > I believe this is non intentional, perhaps some debugging output left over > ? > > Welcome! Exactly. I also noticed this and it is for sure a left over some debugging. What I am not sure if there is an open bug report for this. Can someone check and open if it isn't ? > -- > And let me congratulate everyone involved in Pharo, it looks really > polished and makes a very good first impression for newcommers to > Smalltalk like me :) > > Best regards, > Stanislav Paskalev > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Henrik Johansen

On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:11 10PM, Max Leske wrote: > You shouldn't use the rc and beta builds. > There's a lot of developement going on and you'll likely experience weird behaviour. > My advice: youse the PBE-image with the 4.0.2 vm. > > You can get the image from here: Pharo By Example image Well, shouldn't is a strong word, we do appreciate reports of issues in RC builds. :) Going through the PBE as an intro to smalltalk, you'd probably appreciate the calmer waters of using the PBE-image as Max recommended though. Cheers, Henry

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Johan Fabry

OK lets talk about it when I visit you in sept. On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > this would be great to have a mirror indeed. > I do not have the knowledge for that. > But if we go for a web-dav I imagne that rsync would do the trick. > Stef > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> >> Related to that, access to European servers from Latin-America is slow (we need to go through the US in general). It would be cool for the Argentinians and us if there was a LA mirror (read-only). I have a small machine (mac osx) that could be used for that. Would it be possible to set up something like this? >> >> On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> >>> If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. >>>> Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. >>>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >>>>> more and more often now, what can be done? >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> Johan Fabry >> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this would be great to have a mirror indeed. I do not have the knowledge for that. But if we go for a web-dav I imagne that rsync would do the trick. Stef On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > > Related to that, access to European servers from Latin-America is slow (we need to go through the US in general). It would be cool for the Argentinians and us if there was a LA mirror (read-only). I have a small machine (mac osx) that could be used for that. Would it be possible to set up something like this? > > On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: > >> If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. >> >> Norbert >> >> On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. >>> Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >>>> more and more often now, what can be done? >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Johan Fabry

Related to that, access to European servers from Latin-America is slow (we need to go through the US in general). It would be cool for the Argentinians and us if there was a LA mirror (read-only). I have a small machine (mac osx) that could be used for that. Would it be possible to set up something like this? On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: > If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. > > Norbert > > On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. >> Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. >> >> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: >> >>> >>> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >>> more and more often now, what can be done? >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Norbert Hartl

If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. Norbert On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. > Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: > >> >> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >> more and more often now, what can be done? >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Max Leske

You shouldn't use the rc and beta builds. There's a lot of developement going on and you'll likely experience weird behaviour. My advice: youse the PBE-image with the 4.0.2 vm. You can get the image from here: Pharo By Example image If you still experience problems, don't hesitate to ask again. We don't know everything :) Max On 21.07.2010, at 21:59, Stanislav Paskalev wrote: > Hi Max, > > I'm using Pharo.exe version 4.0.2 from 12th April 2010, together with > the said 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 PharoDev image and PharoV10.sources. > > I've just noticed that the Inspect shortcut doesn't seem to work. I > can execute do it with ctrl+d, print it with ctrl+p and explore using > ctrl+shift+i, however plain ctrl+i for inspect is not working. When I > select it from the context menu, it's fine. > > Stanislav Paskalev > > > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Stanislav >> >> What image and vm version are you using? >> >> Max >> >> >> On 21.07.2010, at 21:47, Stanislav Paskalev wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'm going through the first chapter of Pharo by Example and the >>> Transcript morph behaves somewhat strange. When I type "Transcript >>> show: " into a workspace, every time I press space 2 numbers are shown >>> in the Transcript, they look like character indexes from the text from >>> the workspace it self. >>> >>> I believe this is non intentional, perhaps some debugging output left over ? >>> >>> -- >>> And let me congratulate everyone involved in Pharo, it looks really >>> polished and makes a very good first impression for newcommers to >>> Smalltalk like me :) >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Stanislav Paskalev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello repository types

by Norbert Hartl

On 21.07.2010, at 16:30, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > in the collabook. > If there are further demands about usage scenarios or config changes I can help. Otherwise I would be glad if you add it (needless to say but...) Norbert > Stef > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Geert Claes wrote: > >> >> >> Norbert Hartl wrote: >>> >>> You can just create a http repository for it. I did it once and described >>> it here: >>> >>> http://selfish.org/blog/public%20monticello%20repository >>> >> >> I reckon that could be added to the PBE(2) or CollaborActive book >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Monticello-repository-types-tp2295053p2296644.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Stan First welcome. I noticed that too and I think that this is left over of a trace for trying to catch a bug related to shortcut. We should spot it and remove it. Stef On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Stanislav Paskalev wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm going through the first chapter of Pharo by Example and the > Transcript morph behaves somewhat strange. When I type "Transcript > show: " into a workspace, every time I press space 2 numbers are shown > in the Transcript, they look like character indexes from the text from > the workspace it self. > > I believe this is non intentional, perhaps some debugging output left over ? > > -- > And let me congratulate everyone involved in Pharo, it looks really > polished and makes a very good first impression for newcommers to > Smalltalk like me :) > > Best regards, > Stanislav Paskalev > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok thanks for all these encouragements. Now if you have some free (ok less busy) cycles, any step in that direction is welcome. Stef On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > How about : > > become: nil > > :) > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > (Albert Einstein) > > > > > From: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:56:28 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? > > Zap, kill, obliterate, destroy, etc., simultaneously :) > > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Hernan Wilkinson > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:46 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? > > the same happens to me all the time... so I do as if it does not exist :-), I just override it... I agree it should not be Object's protocol. > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > ideally I would love to get rid of it and externalName and friends.... now > there are probably deep reasons for now. > > Stef > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Time to time, I need to create a #name method on my class. But I found a bit ugly to do an override. > > Is Object>>name that important? > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > Turn down-time into play-time with Messenger games Play Now! _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Stanislav Paskalev

Hi Max, I'm using Pharo.exe version 4.0.2 from 12th April 2010, together with the said 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 PharoDev image and PharoV10.sources. I've just noticed that the Inspect shortcut doesn't seem to work. I can execute do it with ctrl+d, print it with ctrl+p and explore using ctrl+shift+i, however plain ctrl+i for inspect is not working. When I select it from the context menu, it's fine. Stanislav Paskalev On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stanislav > > What image and vm version are you using? > > Max > > > On 21.07.2010, at 21:47, Stanislav Paskalev wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm going through the first chapter of Pharo by Example and the >> Transcript morph behaves somewhat strange. When I type "Transcript >> show: " into a workspace, every time I press space 2 numbers are shown >> in the Transcript, they look like character indexes from the text from >> the workspace it self. >> >> I believe this is non intentional, perhaps some debugging output left over ? >> >> -- >> And let me congratulate everyone involved in Pharo, it looks really >> polished and makes a very good first impression for newcommers to >> Smalltalk like me :) >> >> Best regards, >> Stanislav Paskalev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important?

by Benoit St-Jean

How about : become: nil :) ----------------- Benoit St-Jean A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) From: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:56:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? Zap, kill, obliterate, destroy, etc., simultaneously :) From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Hernan Wilkinson Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:46 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? the same happens to me all the time... so I do as if it does not exist :-), I just override it... I agree it should not be Object's protocol. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: ideally I would love to get rid of it and externalName and friends.... now there are probably deep reasons for now. Stef On Jul 21, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi! > > Time to time, I need to create a #name method on my class. But I found a bit ugly to do an override. > Is Object>>name that important? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _________________________________________________________________ Look 'em in the eye: FREE Messenger video chat http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734386

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Zap, kill, obliterate, destroy, etc., simultaneously :) ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Hernan Wilkinson Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:46 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important? the same happens to me all the time... so I do as if it does not exist :-), I just override it... I agree it should not be Object's protocol. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr<mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote: ideally I would love to get rid of it and externalName and friends.... now there are probably deep reasons for now. Stef On Jul 21, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi! > > Time to time, I need to create a #name method on my class. But I found a bit ugly to do an override. > Is Object>>name that important? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Max Leske

Hi Stanislav What image and vm version are you using? Max On 21.07.2010, at 21:47, Stanislav Paskalev wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm going through the first chapter of Pharo by Example and the > Transcript morph behaves somewhat strange. When I type "Transcript > show: " into a workspace, every time I press space 2 numbers are shown > in the Transcript, they look like character indexes from the text from > the workspace it self. > > I believe this is non intentional, perhaps some debugging output left over ? > > -- > And let me congratulate everyone involved in Pharo, it looks really > polished and makes a very good first impression for newcommers to > Smalltalk like me :) > > Best regards, > Stanislav Paskalev > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2010