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Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Reply

by Laszlo Zsolt Kiss

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > > >> From: Kent Beck <kentb(a)earthlink.net> >> Date: April 20, 2010 6:56:08 PM GMT+02:00 >> To: pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Reply >> >> I sent this to Laszlo but I also wanted it to go to the list. However, I am not a member so it was rejected. Could you post it for me? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kent >> >> >> Laszlo, >> >> I built MongoTalk as a way of exploring NoSQL databases (I like to build my understanding bottom-up). After I got it working across VisualWorks and Pharo and whined about how much work that was I dropped further development. >> >> The code is not currently attached to any license. My first thought was to gpl it and make money from dual licensing, but the amount of money to be made seems so small that I'm leaning towards the MIT license and just not expecting any revenue from it. You are welcome to use it commercially. Remember me when you make a billion euros :-) >> >> As far as further development, I would be glad to have other people take the lead on the project. I won't be spending much more time on it unless a miracle happens and it shows commercial promise. >> >> Regards, >> >> Kent >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > Thanks for the answer. Best regards. Laszlo Zsolt

April 20, 2010

[Pharo-project] Fwd: Reply

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Begin forwarded message: > From: Kent Beck <kentb(a)earthlink.net> > Date: April 20, 2010 6:56:08 PM GMT+02:00 > To: pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Reply > > I sent this to Laszlo but I also wanted it to go to the list. However, I am not a member so it was rejected. Could you post it for me? > > Thanks, > > Kent > > > Laszlo, > > I built MongoTalk as a way of exploring NoSQL databases (I like to build my understanding bottom-up). After I got it working across VisualWorks and Pharo and whined about how much work that was I dropped further development. > > The code is not currently attached to any license. My first thought was to gpl it and make money from dual licensing, but the amount of money to be made seems so small that I'm leaning towards the MIT license and just not expecting any revenue from it. You are welcome to use it commercially. Remember me when you make a billion euros :-) > > As far as further development, I would be glad to have other people take the lead on the project. I won't be spending much more time on it unless a miracle happens and it shows commercial promise. > > Regards, > > Kent > >

April 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Addition to the Success story page

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > I added the link. > > Re UTN, I wait for a URL. > > It is still under construction: http://sites.google.com/site/paradigmasdeprogramacion/ And here you can read about Pharo: http://sites.google.com/site/paradigmasdeprogramacion/Home/software/softwar… Cheers Mariano > Cheers, > Adrian > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 05:45 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:04 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > >> excellent idea. > >> I know that there are other university or engineering schools in > argentina. > >> I will check that with mariano when he is back > >> > >> > > University of Buenos Aires (UBA) > > Signature: Algoritmos y programaciÃ³n 3 > > > > This is the link: (go to where it says "recursos" if you want) > > http://materias.fi.uba.ar/7507/ > > > > Tomorrow I will give a talk there ;) > > > > Please, also add UTN as Carla said. > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> Would it be possible to add on the page > >> http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories : > >>> "University of Chile" in the Universities teaching in Pharo ( > >> http://www.uchile.cl/) and > >>> "PLEIAD / DCC" in the Research groups using Pharo ( > http://www.pleiad.cl > >> ) > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Alexandre > >>> > >>> -- > >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Zoomable UI

by Igor Stasenko

I would be happy to participate in this :) On 20 April 2010 19:30, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Excellent! > We are happy to hear that. > > Stef > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: > >> StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> This is strange that Juan does not mention that ESUG is sponsoring him. >>> He will certainly fix that. >>> I could not see ESUG mentioned on his web page. >>> Stef >>> >> >> Hi Stef, >> >> I haven't updated the Morphic 3 page since November (before the B.A. conference). Things are going quite well, I am not too far from a complete set of new rendering primitives. I'll write an update of the project soon, with some updated screen shots, and with a mention to ESUG sponsoring the project. >> >> Thanks, >> Juan Vuletich > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

April 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] FFI in 1.1

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I think that the remarks of john is really important. If we would have a good C interaction then we can minimize also the dependencies on C plugin and the like. Stef > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:59 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > The question is what we call core. > I think that core should contain less and less but pharo should contain infrastructure and FFI or Alien > are infrastructure. > > > If you look at my answer to German on "Re: [Pharo-project] Really Important message (tm)" > April 16 > You can see that with a fast loading package mechanism then we could really introduce in "Pharo-Core" (= what we have now) > infrastructure package to produce Pharo and works on making a real core. FFI does not belong to this core=mini but > to Pharo from my point of view > > Mini > Mini + FFI + Tools + IDE + Compiler ....= PharoCore > Pharo + Sounds + Morphic examples + archiview.... = Pharo > > > > I know what you are thinking ;) > But I even wouldn't put FFI neither in PharoCore or Pharo. > > If you want FFI, load it by yourself or in the metacello configuration of YOUR app. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > Note that the belonging of one package to group is not automatically clear. > This is why metacello is key and a metacelloRepository. > > Steg > > >> I wouldn't include neither FFI or Alien FFI in neither PharoCore or PharoDev > >> image. > > > > +1 > > > >> That's only my opinion. > > > > Maybe Stef should tell us more about why he thinks it should be included. > > > > Bye > > T. > > > > -- > > GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > > Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Zoomable UI

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Excellent! We are happy to hear that. Stef On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> This is strange that Juan does not mention that ESUG is sponsoring him. >> He will certainly fix that. >> I could not see ESUG mentioned on his web page. >> Stef >> > > Hi Stef, > > I haven't updated the Morphic 3 page since November (before the B.A. conference). Things are going quite well, I am not too far from a complete set of new rendering primitives. I'll write an update of the project soon, with some updated screen shots, and with a mention to ESUG sponsoring the project. > > Thanks, > Juan Vuletich

April 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Problem with ConfigurationOfGofer in Pharo1.0 [WAS] Re: ConfigurationOfGofer class

by Dale Henrichs

Mariano, The Pharo-1.0.changes file looks to be corrupted. If you edit the the changes file and search for ConfigurationOfGofer here's what you see: !ConfigurationOfGofer methodsFor: 'accessing' stamp: 'nk 3/5/2005 15:28'! sNil! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer methodsFor: 'baselines'! 1 into: [:sum :each | sum * (self foo: each)]! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer methodsFor: 'versions'! tring]. ^string! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer methodsFor: 'versions'! RefactoryTestDataApp methodsFor: 'inline'! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer methodsFor: 'versions'! inlineComponent | a | a := 5. ^a class superclass; hasImmediateInstances; yourself! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer class methodsFor: 'accessing'! h | each printString. ^anObject]! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer class methodsFor: 'loading'! ! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer class methodsFor: 'metacello tool support' stamp: 'md 3/14/2006 16:47'! malltalk at: #MyTest ifAbsent: [| collection | collection := #(). Smalltalk at: #MyTest put: collection]! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer class methodsFor: 'metacello tool support'! ng new! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer class methodsFor: 'metacello tool support'! or: 'inline'! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer class methodsFor: 'private' stamp: 'DaleHenrichs 1/25/2010 13:14'! bootstrapPackage: aString from: aPath | reposito ! ! !ConfigurationOfGofer class methodsFor: 'private'! 4:51'! ! So somehow the source was corrupted ... the compiled methods are correct since: ConfigurationOfGofer project versions gives the correct answer. The source following ConfigurationOfGofer looks fine so I can't imagine how the source would have been corrupted especially since the methods were compiled correctly... Dale ----- "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: | wow...you are right....but I have NO idea how that could have been | done. | | Adrian: look at the instance methods of the class ConfigurationOfGofer | and | you will notice what Erwann says. | | Dale, do you have an idea how this can be done ? As I remember | correctly, I | just evaluated: | | | Gofer new | squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; | package: 'ConfigurationOfPharo'; | load. | | ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPharo) project version: '1.0-10517') | perform: #silently: with: true; perform: #load. | | | to generate the Pharo1.0 dev image. This code will bootstrap Metacello | and | thus, install Gofer. Do you think there could be a problem there ? | | Thanks Erwann for reporting! Open a bug ticket please. | | Cheers | | Mariano | | On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Adrian Lienhard | <alienhard(a)netstyle.ch>wrote: | | > Hi Erwann | > | > What does scrambled mean? | > | > I cc-ed to Mariano, he may more quickly see whether there is | something | > wrong. | > | > Cheers, | > Adrian | > | > ___________________ | > http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ | > | > On Apr 20, 2010, at 16:34 , Erwann Wernli wrote: | > | > > "ConfigurationOfGofer class" seem scrambled in the download of | Pharo 1.0 | > form the website -- don't know what happened or if it's only on my | image. | > > | > > Erwann | > > | > > | > > | > | > | | | -- | Subscription settings: | http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/subscribe?hl=en

April 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] MongoDB and Pharo

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I know Kent Beck is working on that: http://www.threeriversinstitute.org/blog/?p=475 You can ask directly to him. Cheers Mariano On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss <lzskiss(a)dublin.ie>wrote: > Hello! > Anybody use this http://www.squeaksource.com/MongoTalk/ with Pharo? > Can i will be use this stuff in the production environment? > Thx. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 20, 2010

[Pharo-project] Problem with ConfigurationOfGofer in Pharo1.0 [WAS] Re: ConfigurationOfGofer class

by Mariano Martinez Peck

wow...you are right....but I have NO idea how that could have been done. Adrian: look at the instance methods of the class ConfigurationOfGofer and you will notice what Erwann says. Dale, do you have an idea how this can be done ? As I remember correctly, I just evaluated: Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfPharo'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPharo) project version: '1.0-10517') perform: #silently: with: true; perform: #load. to generate the Pharo1.0 dev image. This code will bootstrap Metacello and thus, install Gofer. Do you think there could be a problem there ? Thanks Erwann for reporting! Open a bug ticket please. Cheers Mariano On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Adrian Lienhard <alienhard(a)netstyle.ch>wrote: > Hi Erwann > > What does scrambled mean? > > I cc-ed to Mariano, he may more quickly see whether there is something > wrong. > > Cheers, > Adrian > > ___________________ > http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 16:34 , Erwann Wernli wrote: > > > "ConfigurationOfGofer class" seem scrambled in the download of Pharo 1.0 > form the website -- don't know what happened or if it's only on my image. > > > > Erwann > > > > > > > >

April 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] How to re-open a closed issue?

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Tim, I added you as a project committer. This should allow you to change the issue's status. Cheers, Adrian On Apr 20, 2010, at 16:52 , Henrik Johansen wrote: > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:41 32PM, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > >> If I create a ticket - and one of the committers closes it - and then I find the problem is not fixed - how do I re-open it? Is entering an additional comment enough to flag it as open again - or do I need to raise a new issue? >> >> E.g. 2322: Cannot type ' (apostrophe) next to an existing character - was marked closed - however the issues was not correctly fixed by the proposed filein (it introduces other related problems). >> >> Tim > > Mhhhm, either you are able to change the status: field back to accepted, or someone with more privilieges needs to do so. > (worked for me at least) > > Cheers, > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 20, 2010