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Re: [Pharo-project] New profiler for Pharo: tester wanted!

by John M McIntosh

Yes, I've not yet built a publicly available VM that has it. Did you want it for both 32 and 64bit images? On 2010-01-20, at 5:26 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi John, > > I tried 64bitImage*64bitVM, but the primitive fails. I attached a screenshot. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > <Picture 1.png> > -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by David T. Lewis

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:54:03PM +0100, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > >> 2010/1/20 Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu>: > >> > >> I guess that vm is not gnuified. > >> > > > >I installed one that was avail for linux, latest one. Didn't built it > myself. > > I just checked on a "not-that-fast" machine with the binary versions from > squeakvm.org: > > 3.11-3.2135 -> #( > '204309656 bytecodes/sec; 7660022 sends/sec' > '202852614 bytecodes/sec; 7722256 sends/sec' > '205457463 bytecodes/sec; 7785510 sends/sec') > > 3.10.6 -> #( > '380386329 bytecodes/sec; 9512738 sends/sec' > '377025036 bytecodes/sec; 10174641 sends/sec' > '378978534 bytecodes/sec; 10183725 sends/sec') > > The 3.11-3.2135 is not gnuified and I couldn't force cmake to gnuify it > (though I didn't try really hard). I think this is an issue that should > be solved. Levente, For a while after the unix VM build was converted to cmake, the gnuify step was missing. This was fixed some time ago (I don't remember the date exactly). If you get the latest code from the Subversion repository, it should produce a gnuified VM when you do the build. I'm not sure if the 3.11-3.2135 is properly gnuified or not. If not, then it's probably time for a new build on the web site. Dave

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] New profiler for Pharo: tester wanted!

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi John, I tried 64bitImage*64bitVM, but the primitive fails. I attached a screenshot. Cheers, Alexandre On 20 Jan 2010, at 19:59, John McIntosh wrote: > Are you on a mac? Of not I'll send the vmmaker, source code and > smalltlak changes > > On 1/20/10, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu> wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>> The millisecond grain information is obtained from MessageTally. How >>> do I access this microsecond clock? Something like "Time >>> class>>#microsecondClock" ? >> >> You have to create that method since it doesn't exist. Something >> like: >> >> Time class >> microsecondClock >> >> <primitive: 'primitiveMicrosecondClock'> >> self primitiveFailed >> >> shoud do it. >> >> >> Levente >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> On 20 Jan 2010, at 16:24, John M McIntosh wrote: >>> >>>> You know I"m trying to integrate a microsecond clock into the VM. >>>> It >>>> might be interesting if you >>>> run on a macintosh to try a test V5 VM I can supply to see what >>>> happens if you change your >>>> time collecting from the millisecond clock to the microsecond >>>> clock. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2010-01-20, at 11:20 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Each implementor of #ensureMetacello is different. Even the one of >>>>> ConfigurationOfMetacello is different from the one of the >>>>> website :-) >>>>> >>>>> I update ConfigurationOfSpy. It loads now without any problem. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> =================================================================== >>>> John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: >>>> squeaker68882 >>>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http:// >>>> www.smalltalkconsulting.com >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> =================================================================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > -- > = > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http:// > www.smalltalkconsulting.com > = > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] New profiler for Pharo: tester wanted!

by Alexandre Bergel

I was wondering whether MessageTally could have a better precision now that there is this primitive. I am not an expert in processes, maybe this is not easily doable. Alexandre On 20 Jan 2010, at 19:46, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> The millisecond grain information is obtained from MessageTally. How >> do I access this microsecond clock? Something like "Time >> class>>#microsecondClock" ? > > You have to create that method since it doesn't exist. Something like: > > Time class >> microsecondClock > > <primitive: 'primitiveMicrosecondClock'> > self primitiveFailed > > shoud do it. > > > Levente > > >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 20 Jan 2010, at 16:24, John M McIntosh wrote: >> >>> You know I"m trying to integrate a microsecond clock into the VM. It >>> might be interesting if you >>> run on a macintosh to try a test V5 VM I can supply to see what >>> happens if you change your >>> time collecting from the millisecond clock to the microsecond clock. >>> >>> >>> On 2010-01-20, at 11:20 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> >>>> Each implementor of #ensureMetacello is different. Even the one of >>>> ConfigurationOfMetacello is different from the one of the >>>> website :-) >>>> >>>> I update ConfigurationOfSpy. It loads now without any problem. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>> >>> -- >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> ==================================================================== >>> John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: >>> squeaker68882 >>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http:// >>> www.smalltalkconsulting.com >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> ==================================================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by John McIntosh

Btw I didn't create the script it was done by I think David pennel? Check the soure for details. The register foo logic is mine added for PowerPC. Was done pre osx for os9 machines On 1/20/10, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu> wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> >> 2010/1/20 Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu>: >> >> >> >> I guess that vm is not gnuified. >> >> >> > >> >I installed one that was avail for linux, latest one. Didn't built it >> myself. >> >> I just checked on a "not-that-fast" machine with the binary versions from >> squeakvm.org: >> >> 3.11-3.2135 -> #( >> '204309656 bytecodes/sec; 7660022 sends/sec' >> '202852614 bytecodes/sec; 7722256 sends/sec' >> '205457463 bytecodes/sec; 7785510 sends/sec') >> >> 3.10.6 -> #( >> '380386329 bytecodes/sec; 9512738 sends/sec' >> '377025036 bytecodes/sec; 10174641 sends/sec' >> '378978534 bytecodes/sec; 10183725 sends/sec') >> >> The 3.11-3.2135 is not gnuified and I couldn't force cmake to gnuify it >> (though I didn't try really hard). I think this is an issue that should >> be solved. >> > > I think the right way is to include John's image level gnuification script > and produce an extra engine from within VMMaker. That's what I do. > Changing makefiles and/or configurations to choose between the two > available interpreters is easier than applying a gnuification scirpt. > >> >> >> Levente >> >> > >> >> >> >> Levente >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Levente Uzonyi

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Eliot Miranda wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu> wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>>> 2010/1/20 Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu>: >>>> >>>> I guess that vm is not gnuified. >>>> >>> >>> I installed one that was avail for linux, latest one. Didn't built it >> myself. >> >> I just checked on a "not-that-fast" machine with the binary versions from >> squeakvm.org: >> >> 3.11-3.2135 -> #( >> '204309656 bytecodes/sec; 7660022 sends/sec' >> '202852614 bytecodes/sec; 7722256 sends/sec' >> '205457463 bytecodes/sec; 7785510 sends/sec') >> >> 3.10.6 -> #( >> '380386329 bytecodes/sec; 9512738 sends/sec' >> '377025036 bytecodes/sec; 10174641 sends/sec' >> '378978534 bytecodes/sec; 10183725 sends/sec') >> >> The 3.11-3.2135 is not gnuified and I couldn't force cmake to gnuify it >> (though I didn't try really hard). I think this is an issue that should >> be solved. >> > > I think the right way is to include John's image level gnuification script > and produce an extra engine from within VMMaker. That's what I do. > Changing makefiles and/or configurations to choose between the two > available interpreters is easier than applying a gnuification scirpt. With the autotools based build suite interp.c was gnuified if gawk was available, so applying it was pretty easy. I think it's just a bug with the new cmake based build system. The idea of smalltalk based gnuification is really good, so you (not me, because I'm not a vm developer :)) should consider adding it to VMMaker. Levente > >> >> >> Levente >> >>> >>>> >>>> Levente >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] New profiler for Pharo: tester wanted!

by Levente Uzonyi

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, John McIntosh wrote: > Are you on a mac? Of not I'll send the vmmaker, source code and > smalltlak changes I'm using windows, so send sources/changes please. Levente > > On 1/20/10, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu> wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>> The millisecond grain information is obtained from MessageTally. How >>> do I access this microsecond clock? Something like "Time >>> class>>#microsecondClock" ? >> >> You have to create that method since it doesn't exist. Something like: >> >> Time class >> microsecondClock >> >> <primitive: 'primitiveMicrosecondClock'> >> self primitiveFailed >> >> shoud do it. >> >> >> Levente >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> On 20 Jan 2010, at 16:24, John M McIntosh wrote: >>> >>>> You know I"m trying to integrate a microsecond clock into the VM. It >>>> might be interesting if you >>>> run on a macintosh to try a test V5 VM I can supply to see what >>>> happens if you change your >>>> time collecting from the millisecond clock to the microsecond clock. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2010-01-20, at 11:20 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Each implementor of #ensureMetacello is different. Even the one of >>>>> ConfigurationOfMetacello is different from the one of the website :-) >>>>> >>>>> I update ConfigurationOfSpy. It loads now without any problem. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: >>>> squeaker68882 >>>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http:// >>>> www.smalltalkconsulting.com >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Igor Stasenko

2010/1/21 Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu>: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >>> 2010/1/20 Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu>: >>> >>> I guess that vm is not gnuified. >>> >> >>I installed one that was avail for linux, latest one. Didn't built it > myself. > > I just checked on a "not-that-fast" machine with the binary versions from > squeakvm.org: > > 3.11-3.2135 -> #( > Â Â Â Â '204309656 bytecodes/sec; 7660022 sends/sec' > Â Â Â Â '202852614 bytecodes/sec; 7722256 sends/sec' > Â Â Â Â '205457463 bytecodes/sec; 7785510 sends/sec') > > 3.10.6 -> #( > Â Â Â Â '380386329 bytecodes/sec; 9512738 sends/sec' > Â Â Â Â '377025036 bytecodes/sec; 10174641 sends/sec' > Â Â Â Â '378978534 bytecodes/sec; 10183725 sends/sec') > > The 3.11-3.2135 is not gnuified and I couldn't force cmake to gnuify it > (though I didn't try really hard). I think this is an issue that should > be solved. > So you think that i'm using non-gnuified VM? That's saves a day :) And needs to be fixed, to make sure all VMs published for download is properly optimized. > > Levente > >> >>> >>> Levente >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Eliot Miranda

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > >> 2010/1/20 Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu>: > >> > >> I guess that vm is not gnuified. > >> > > > >I installed one that was avail for linux, latest one. Didn't built it > myself. > > I just checked on a "not-that-fast" machine with the binary versions from > squeakvm.org: > > 3.11-3.2135 -> #( > '204309656 bytecodes/sec; 7660022 sends/sec' > '202852614 bytecodes/sec; 7722256 sends/sec' > '205457463 bytecodes/sec; 7785510 sends/sec') > > 3.10.6 -> #( > '380386329 bytecodes/sec; 9512738 sends/sec' > '377025036 bytecodes/sec; 10174641 sends/sec' > '378978534 bytecodes/sec; 10183725 sends/sec') > > The 3.11-3.2135 is not gnuified and I couldn't force cmake to gnuify it > (though I didn't try really hard). I think this is an issue that should > be solved. > I think the right way is to include John's image level gnuification script and produce an extra engine from within VMMaker. That's what I do. Changing makefiles and/or configurations to choose between the two available interpreters is easier than applying a gnuification scirpt. > > > Levente > > > > >> > >> Levente > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] New profiler for Pharo: tester wanted!

by John McIntosh

Are you on a mac? Of not I'll send the vmmaker, source code and smalltlak changes On 1/20/10, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> The millisecond grain information is obtained from MessageTally. How >> do I access this microsecond clock? Something like "Time >> class>>#microsecondClock" ? > > You have to create that method since it doesn't exist. Something like: > > Time class >> microsecondClock > > <primitive: 'primitiveMicrosecondClock'> > self primitiveFailed > > shoud do it. > > > Levente > > >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 20 Jan 2010, at 16:24, John M McIntosh wrote: >> >>> You know I"m trying to integrate a microsecond clock into the VM. It >>> might be interesting if you >>> run on a macintosh to try a test V5 VM I can supply to see what >>> happens if you change your >>> time collecting from the millisecond clock to the microsecond clock. >>> >>> >>> On 2010-01-20, at 11:20 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> >>>> Each implementor of #ensureMetacello is different. Even the one of >>>> ConfigurationOfMetacello is different from the one of the website :-) >>>> >>>> I update ConfigurationOfSpy. It loads now without any problem. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>> >>> -- >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> ====================================================================== >>> John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: >>> squeaker68882 >>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http:// >>> www.smalltalkconsulting.com >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> ====================================================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

Jan. 20, 2010