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Re: [Pharo-project] Do you want to discuss about papers?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Count me in! I favor a separate list because this one is already quite busy. -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:18 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Do you want to discuss about papers? +1 Stef On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > Mariano, > > That's a very good idea and useful also for us practitioners to get > and implement some new ideas from theoretic works out there. So I am > for this new mailing list! > > Janko > > On 30. 01. 2010 14:35, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> Hi folks. Before sending this email to all smalltalk mailing lists, I >> first wanted to ask you what do you think. >> >> I am new in the world of the research and about reading and >> discussing about papers. If what I propose already exist, forget this >> mail and please tell me where is it. >> >> I was thinking to have a place, an environment (mailing list), where >> we can freely discuss about Smalltalk or OO in general papers. At the >> beginning I though to put this inside the Pharo mailing list but then >> I though it is better to do a new mailing list where all smalltalkers >> of all flavors can join and discuss. >> >> The main purpose about that list is: >> >> - be able to FREELY discuss about papers about Smalltalk or OO in >> general. I say freely because maybe someone gives an opinion of a >> paper that the person who wrote it is also in this place. We are all >> professional and I think we can discuss with respect. >> - LEARN. >> >> Other uses: >> - Don't reinvent the wheel. Maybe I wanted to do something and I read >> that XXX person did YYY. So, I can look at it. >> - Be aware of what other people is doing, working, writing and >> learning >> - Have different opinions of a certain topic / paper. >> - A little step to join all the Smalltalk community in one place. We >> can meet people, join forces, etc. >> - Help in the preparation, ANN, collaborate, etc in Workshops, >> conferences, and so on >> - Ask for help on review. Several times someone has several papers to >> review for a certain conference. This can be a place to ask for that help. >> - Publish papers that were rejected from someone. How many times some >> papers where rejected but do you still read it and find it useful ? >> - Ask for feedback for a paper before submitting it in a >> conference/workshop >> - Educate people and being educated >> - Share latex template, commands, or tricks related to smalltalk code >> for example >> - Discuss about research in general >> - Ask for a certain topic. Suppose I want to start to work in XXX >> topic, I can ask to see if someone knows related papers or work. >> - others >> >> I will give you an example: this week I have been reading a paper >> about LOOM - Large Object Oriented Memory. This paper is from ECOOP >> 1986 (the only thing an Argentinian can think about that year is >> Maradona's goals to England in Mexico ;) ). I was one year old at >> that time. LOOM was based in Smalltalk 80. I had no idea about that. >> I had to read some chapters of the blue book first in order to then >> understand LOOM. I have ever seen LOOM code, I don't know what >> happened with it, etc. So, maybe there is someone who even saw LOOM >> in live, he saw the code, he knows what happened, if it worked really >> or not, the advantages and drawbacks, the repercussion it had, etc. >> That information, those opinions, you cannot get it from other place. >> >> So, what do you think? Do you like the idea or has no sense ? If you >> like and has sense, I will create the mailing list and send it to all >> Smalltalk mailing lists I know. >> >> In two words: DISCUSS AND LEARN. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > AIDA/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 30, 2010

[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11189

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

11189 ----- - Issue 1889: clarifying PopUpMenu vs. MenuMorph (part one) - Issue 1895: ToolBuilder squeak integration and related ToolBuilder-Kernel ToolBuilder-Morphic Now we should check since apparently the basic tools got rewritten using the enh ToolBuilder spec. Stef each day little actions... and fun. Now if you want to help we should get the tests green.

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fun with ProfStef

by laurent laffont

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Danny Chan <chan_dhf(a)yahoo.de> wrote: > Hi Dale > > > In putting together a couple of ProfStef tutorials last weekend, I found > > that I'd like to be able to #goto a lesson (out of sequence), > essentially > > hitting a branch point where the student can skip a set of lessons or > move > > to a different set of lessons. My thought was something like: > > > > ProfStef goto: #lesson15 "jump to lesson15" > > We have now split the GUI changes I did into a separate package > ProfStefBrowser. In this I have something like this > > ProfStefBrowser goto: SmalltalkSyntaxTutorial lessonAt: 3 > > This is used to replace the current lesson when I click in the tutorial > tree. > I just checked, and if I move three methods up the hierarchy, it works > exactly > the same in the ProfStef core. > > Laurent, if you like this, can we move this into ProfStef core? Then people > do > not have to work with a different interface and tutorials written for > ProfStef > will work exactly the same in the GUI browser. > > Danny > Hi, isn't it quite complex ? One can do: 3 timesRepeat: [ProfStef next]. Less to type, Smalltalkish, and maybe more fun ? Laurent

Jan. 30, 2010

[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11188

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

11188 ----- Issue 1898: ImageSegment cleaning

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Do you want to discuss about papers?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/1/30 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > How would we name that mailing list? smalltalk-theory ? > > That was going to be my second question if you like the idea :) List: - smalltalk-research - research-smalltalk - lab-smalltalk - smalltalk-lab - smalltalk-theory - theory-smalltalk So..we have several options Vote ? Cheers Mariano > Janko > > On 30. 01. 2010 16:18, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > +1 > > > > Stef > > > > On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > > > >> Mariano, > >> > >> That's a very good idea and useful also for us practitioners to get and > >> implement some new ideas from theoretic works out there. So I am for > >> this new mailing list! > >> > >> Janko > >> > >> On 30. 01. 2010 14:35, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >>> Hi folks. Before sending this email to all smalltalk mailing lists, I > >>> first wanted to ask you what do you think. > >>> > >>> I am new in the world of the research and about reading and discussing > >>> about papers. If what I propose already exist, forget this mail and > >>> please tell me where is it. > >>> > >>> I was thinking to have a place, an environment (mailing list), where we > >>> can freely discuss about Smalltalk or OO in general papers. At the > >>> beginning I though to put this inside the Pharo mailing list but then I > >>> though it is better to do a new mailing list where all smalltalkers of > >>> all flavors can join and discuss. > >>> > >>> The main purpose about that list is: > >>> > >>> - be able to FREELY discuss about papers about Smalltalk or OO in > >>> general. I say freely because maybe someone gives an opinion of a paper > >>> that the person who wrote it is also in this place. We are all > >>> professional and I think we can discuss with respect. > >>> - LEARN. > >>> > >>> Other uses: > >>> - Don't reinvent the wheel. Maybe I wanted to do something and I read > >>> that XXX person did YYY. So, I can look at it. > >>> - Be aware of what other people is doing, working, writing and learning > >>> - Have different opinions of a certain topic / paper. > >>> - A little step to join all the Smalltalk community in one place. We > can > >>> meet people, join forces, etc. > >>> - Help in the preparation, ANN, collaborate, etc in Workshops, > >>> conferences, and so on > >>> - Ask for help on review. Several times someone has several papers to > >>> review for a certain conference. This can be a place to ask for that > help. > >>> - Publish papers that were rejected from someone. How many times some > >>> papers where rejected but do you still read it and find it useful ? > >>> - Ask for feedback for a paper before submitting it in a > conference/workshop > >>> - Educate people and being educated > >>> - Share latex template, commands, or tricks related to smalltalk code > >>> for example > >>> - Discuss about research in general > >>> - Ask for a certain topic. Suppose I want to start to work in XXX > topic, > >>> I can ask to see if someone knows related papers or work. > >>> - others > >>> > >>> I will give you an example: this week I have been reading a paper about > >>> LOOM - Large Object Oriented Memory. This paper is from ECOOP 1986 > >>> (the only thing an Argentinian can think about that year is Maradona's > >>> goals to England in Mexico ;) ). I was one year old at that time. LOOM > >>> was based in Smalltalk 80. I had no idea about that. I had to read some > >>> chapters of the blue book first in order to then understand LOOM. I > have > >>> ever seen LOOM code, I don't know what happened with it, etc. So, maybe > >>> there is someone who even saw LOOM in live, he saw the code, he knows > >>> what happened, if it worked really or not, the advantages and > drawbacks, > >>> the repercussion it had, etc. That information, those opinions, you > >>> cannot get it from other place. > >>> > >>> So, what do you think? Do you like the idea or has no sense ? If > you > >>> like and has sense, I will create the mailing list and send it to all > >>> Smalltalk mailing lists I know. > >>> > >>> In two words: DISCUSS AND LEARN. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Mariano > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > AIDA/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Do you want to discuss about papers?

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

How would we name that mailing list? smalltalk-theory ? Janko On 30. 01. 2010 16:18, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > +1 > > Stef > > On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > >> Mariano, >> >> That's a very good idea and useful also for us practitioners to get and >> implement some new ideas from theoretic works out there. So I am for >> this new mailing list! >> >> Janko >> >> On 30. 01. 2010 14:35, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>> Hi folks. Before sending this email to all smalltalk mailing lists, I >>> first wanted to ask you what do you think. >>> >>> I am new in the world of the research and about reading and discussing >>> about papers. If what I propose already exist, forget this mail and >>> please tell me where is it. >>> >>> I was thinking to have a place, an environment (mailing list), where we >>> can freely discuss about Smalltalk or OO in general papers. At the >>> beginning I though to put this inside the Pharo mailing list but then I >>> though it is better to do a new mailing list where all smalltalkers of >>> all flavors can join and discuss. >>> >>> The main purpose about that list is: >>> >>> - be able to FREELY discuss about papers about Smalltalk or OO in >>> general. I say freely because maybe someone gives an opinion of a paper >>> that the person who wrote it is also in this place. We are all >>> professional and I think we can discuss with respect. >>> - LEARN. >>> >>> Other uses: >>> - Don't reinvent the wheel. Maybe I wanted to do something and I read >>> that XXX person did YYY. So, I can look at it. >>> - Be aware of what other people is doing, working, writing and learning >>> - Have different opinions of a certain topic / paper. >>> - A little step to join all the Smalltalk community in one place. We can >>> meet people, join forces, etc. >>> - Help in the preparation, ANN, collaborate, etc in Workshops, >>> conferences, and so on >>> - Ask for help on review. Several times someone has several papers to >>> review for a certain conference. This can be a place to ask for that help. >>> - Publish papers that were rejected from someone. How many times some >>> papers where rejected but do you still read it and find it useful ? >>> - Ask for feedback for a paper before submitting it in a conference/workshop >>> - Educate people and being educated >>> - Share latex template, commands, or tricks related to smalltalk code >>> for example >>> - Discuss about research in general >>> - Ask for a certain topic. Suppose I want to start to work in XXX topic, >>> I can ask to see if someone knows related papers or work. >>> - others >>> >>> I will give you an example: this week I have been reading a paper about >>> LOOM - Large Object Oriented Memory. This paper is from ECOOP 1986 >>> (the only thing an Argentinian can think about that year is Maradona's >>> goals to England in Mexico ;) ). I was one year old at that time. LOOM >>> was based in Smalltalk 80. I had no idea about that. I had to read some >>> chapters of the blue book first in order to then understand LOOM. I have >>> ever seen LOOM code, I don't know what happened with it, etc. So, maybe >>> there is someone who even saw LOOM in live, he saw the code, he knows >>> what happened, if it worked really or not, the advantages and drawbacks, >>> the repercussion it had, etc. That information, those opinions, you >>> cannot get it from other place. >>> >>> So, what do you think? Do you like the idea or has no sense ? If you >>> like and has sense, I will create the mailing list and send it to all >>> Smalltalk mailing lists I know. >>> >>> In two words: DISCUSS AND LEARN. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Do you want to discuss about papers?

by Marcus Denker

Yes! On Jan 30, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi folks. Before sending this email to all smalltalk mailing lists, I first wanted to ask you what do you think. > > I am new in the world of the research and about reading and discussing about papers. If what I propose already exist, forget this mail and please tell me where is it. > > I was thinking to have a place, an environment (mailing list), where we can freely discuss about Smalltalk or OO in general papers. At the beginning I though to put this inside the Pharo mailing list but then I though it is better to do a new mailing list where all smalltalkers of all flavors can join and discuss. > > The main purpose about that list is: > > - be able to FREELY discuss about papers about Smalltalk or OO in general. I say freely because maybe someone gives an opinion of a paper that the person who wrote it is also in this place. We are all professional and I think we can discuss with respect. > - LEARN. > > Other uses: > - Don't reinvent the wheel. Maybe I wanted to do something and I read that XXX person did YYY. So, I can look at it. > - Be aware of what other people is doing, working, writing and learning > - Have different opinions of a certain topic / paper. > - A little step to join all the Smalltalk community in one place. We can meet people, join forces, etc. > - Help in the preparation, ANN, collaborate, etc in Workshops, conferences, and so on > - Ask for help on review. Several times someone has several papers to review for a certain conference. This can be a place to ask for that help. > - Publish papers that were rejected from someone. How many times some papers where rejected but do you still read it and find it useful ? > - Ask for feedback for a paper before submitting it in a conference/workshop > - Educate people and being educated > - Share latex template, commands, or tricks related to smalltalk code for example > - Discuss about research in general > - Ask for a certain topic. Suppose I want to start to work in XXX topic, I can ask to see if someone knows related papers or work. > - others > > I will give you an example: this week I have been reading a paper about LOOM - Large Object Oriented Memory. This paper is from ECOOP 1986 (the only thing an Argentinian can think about that year is Maradona's goals to England in Mexico ;) ). I was one year old at that time. LOOM was based in Smalltalk 80. I had no idea about that. I had to read some chapters of the blue book first in order to then understand LOOM. I have ever seen LOOM code, I don't know what happened with it, etc. So, maybe there is someone who even saw LOOM in live, he saw the code, he knows what happened, if it worked really or not, the advantages and drawbacks, the repercussion it had, etc. That information, those opinions, you cannot get it from other place. > > So, what do you think? Do you like the idea or has no sense ? If you like and has sense, I will create the mailing list and send it to all Smalltalk mailing lists I know. > > In two words: DISCUSS AND LEARN. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Jan. 30, 2010

[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11187

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

11187 ----- - Issue 1813: 0007446: [BUG][FIX] SocketStream>>peek - Issue 1391: peek doesnt work in SocketStream - Issue 1892: HTTPSocket class>>proxyUser:password: broken in 1.1 - Issue 1897: should improve comment of haltOnce related methods

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Do you want to discuss about papers?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

+1 Stef On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > Mariano, > > That's a very good idea and useful also for us practitioners to get and > implement some new ideas from theoretic works out there. So I am for > this new mailing list! > > Janko > > On 30. 01. 2010 14:35, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> Hi folks. Before sending this email to all smalltalk mailing lists, I >> first wanted to ask you what do you think. >> >> I am new in the world of the research and about reading and discussing >> about papers. If what I propose already exist, forget this mail and >> please tell me where is it. >> >> I was thinking to have a place, an environment (mailing list), where we >> can freely discuss about Smalltalk or OO in general papers. At the >> beginning I though to put this inside the Pharo mailing list but then I >> though it is better to do a new mailing list where all smalltalkers of >> all flavors can join and discuss. >> >> The main purpose about that list is: >> >> - be able to FREELY discuss about papers about Smalltalk or OO in >> general. I say freely because maybe someone gives an opinion of a paper >> that the person who wrote it is also in this place. We are all >> professional and I think we can discuss with respect. >> - LEARN. >> >> Other uses: >> - Don't reinvent the wheel. Maybe I wanted to do something and I read >> that XXX person did YYY. So, I can look at it. >> - Be aware of what other people is doing, working, writing and learning >> - Have different opinions of a certain topic / paper. >> - A little step to join all the Smalltalk community in one place. We can >> meet people, join forces, etc. >> - Help in the preparation, ANN, collaborate, etc in Workshops, >> conferences, and so on >> - Ask for help on review. Several times someone has several papers to >> review for a certain conference. This can be a place to ask for that help. >> - Publish papers that were rejected from someone. How many times some >> papers where rejected but do you still read it and find it useful ? >> - Ask for feedback for a paper before submitting it in a conference/workshop >> - Educate people and being educated >> - Share latex template, commands, or tricks related to smalltalk code >> for example >> - Discuss about research in general >> - Ask for a certain topic. Suppose I want to start to work in XXX topic, >> I can ask to see if someone knows related papers or work. >> - others >> >> I will give you an example: this week I have been reading a paper about >> LOOM - Large Object Oriented Memory. This paper is from ECOOP 1986 >> (the only thing an Argentinian can think about that year is Maradona's >> goals to England in Mexico ;) ). I was one year old at that time. LOOM >> was based in Smalltalk 80. I had no idea about that. I had to read some >> chapters of the blue book first in order to then understand LOOM. I have >> ever seen LOOM code, I don't know what happened with it, etc. So, maybe >> there is someone who even saw LOOM in live, he saw the code, he knows >> what happened, if it worked really or not, the advantages and drawbacks, >> the repercussion it had, etc. That information, those opinions, you >> cannot get it from other place. >> >> So, what do you think? Do you like the idea or has no sense ? If you >> like and has sense, I will create the mailing list and send it to all >> Smalltalk mailing lists I know. >> >> In two words: DISCUSS AND LEARN. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > AIDA/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Monticello HTTPS

by Lukas Renggli

The problem is that Pharo cannot do HTTPS requests out of the box. That could be changed if the Curl plugin would be included with the VM distribution. We the Curl plugin we could transparently do HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, FTPS and other requests that would properly work and that would obsolete the ugly HTTPSocket code. As far as I know there are patches for Monticello to use the Curl plugin. For now, most people use VPN or SSH tunnels to access their source. Lukas 2010/1/30 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > Hi folks. I think this guy has a point here. Does someone have an answer ? > >> >> I'm curious as to how a company would protect it's source using Smalltalk >> when the developers are not all set up to dial in via e.g. VPN. Maybe >> somebody could give me a hint as to how a company would realize a secure >> distributed development repository? Or is Monticello not the right choice in >> this case? >> >> Many regards, >> >> Ole. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 30, 2010