+1 Stef On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Janko Mivšek wrote:
Mariano,
That's a very good idea and useful also for us practitioners to get and implement some new ideas from theoretic works out there. So I am for this new mailing list!
Janko
On 30. 01. 2010 14:35, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi folks. Before sending this email to all smalltalk mailing lists, I first wanted to ask you what do you think.
I am new in the world of the research and about reading and discussing about papers. If what I propose already exist, forget this mail and please tell me where is it.
I was thinking to have a place, an environment (mailing list), where we can freely discuss about Smalltalk or OO in general papers. At the beginning I though to put this inside the Pharo mailing list but then I though it is better to do a new mailing list where all smalltalkers of all flavors can join and discuss.
The main purpose about that list is:
- be able to FREELY discuss about papers about Smalltalk or OO in general. I say freely because maybe someone gives an opinion of a paper that the person who wrote it is also in this place. We are all professional and I think we can discuss with respect. - LEARN.
Other uses: - Don't reinvent the wheel. Maybe I wanted to do something and I read that XXX person did YYY. So, I can look at it. - Be aware of what other people is doing, working, writing and learning - Have different opinions of a certain topic / paper. - A little step to join all the Smalltalk community in one place. We can meet people, join forces, etc. - Help in the preparation, ANN, collaborate, etc in Workshops, conferences, and so on - Ask for help on review. Several times someone has several papers to review for a certain conference. This can be a place to ask for that help. - Publish papers that were rejected from someone. How many times some papers where rejected but do you still read it and find it useful ? - Ask for feedback for a paper before submitting it in a conference/workshop - Educate people and being educated - Share latex template, commands, or tricks related to smalltalk code for example - Discuss about research in general - Ask for a certain topic. Suppose I want to start to work in XXX topic, I can ask to see if someone knows related papers or work. - others
I will give you an example: this week I have been reading a paper about LOOM - Large Object Oriented Memory. This paper is from ECOOP 1986 (the only thing an Argentinian can think about that year is Maradona's goals to England in Mexico ;) ). I was one year old at that time. LOOM was based in Smalltalk 80. I had no idea about that. I had to read some chapters of the blue book first in order to then understand LOOM. I have ever seen LOOM code, I don't know what happened with it, etc. So, maybe there is someone who even saw LOOM in live, he saw the code, he knows what happened, if it worked really or not, the advantages and drawbacks, the repercussion it had, etc. That information, those opinions, you cannot get it from other place.
So, what do you think? Do you like the idea or has no sense ? If you like and has sense, I will create the mailing list and send it to all Smalltalk mailing lists I know.
In two words: DISCUSS AND LEARN.
Cheers
Mariano
-- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
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