January 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Presenter and Project will die aren't they ?

by Marcus Denker

On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > I mean, the classes will be completely removed ? > Yes, but maybe some code will be moved elsewhere (no idea). > Just to be sure what I can cleanUp from ImageSegment > Conceptually, I always found it strange that ImageSegment needs to know about Presenter. And even Project should not be known at that level, I think. Yes, all the uses of Project and Presenter need to be cleaned.... Marcus

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > It would be cool if it didn't take 3+ hours to load. 2.8 is much more > reasonable. Is 3 that much bigger, or is something wrong with the > configuration? > > > Yes, it cannot take 3 hours. In my case, it takes no more than 15 minutes. Stan: the old machine was with Windows? do you have any antivirus working like NOD32 or something like that ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stan Shepherd > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:38 AM > To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] > Pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1 > > > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Stan Shepherd > > <stan.shepherd414(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> The only concern is that it took some hours > > > > > > hours ? seriously ? > > > > > >> to download and install Seaside > >> (albeit on a slow spare PC). And with occassional network glitches, I > >> had to restart a method a few times from a debugger. > > > > Yes, it was 3 hr 29m on the old machine, but I don't know what percent it > was halted due to network glitches. It would be really cool if it made say 3 > retries when its HTTP gets failed. > > I ran overnight on main machine (Ubuntu 9.04, 3 GHz dual core 1GB ram, > nominal 7Gb internet but other downloads running) with message tally - 71 > minutes. > > ...Stan > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/BetaTesting-ANN-Pharo1-0-10505-rc1dev10-01-1-tp4278312… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Interim build server

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

for the moment I would not care. There is no written that say that we cannot use a web folders for putting binary code. On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Michael Roberts <mike(a)mjr104.co.uk> wrote: >> -started to publish images at http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/experimental/ > > take care that INRIA GForge admins don't like too much stuffs in the > web folders. These folders should only be used to host a website. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Alien & (using Gofer and Flair)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Mariano I think that projects should publish in their repository a ConfigurationOfXXX and when this is stable copy it to MetacelloRepository. I think that this is important to have a dsitrbuted but with a possible entry point infrastructure. Loader can use MetacelloRepository as the only entry point and this is ok but project should have a configuration by themselves in the folder. Stef On Ja > > Yes, the web page is outdated. Thanks for pointing that out, i will modify the info now. > > We are working together with Tudor on ConfigurationOfAlien, as soon as it's finished i'll publish it. > > > Cool. Please do it in MetacelloRepository ;) > > Fernando > > > > > indeed flair is dead. "le roi est mort vive le roi" > > Fernando could u update the Alien loader? > > > > Stef > > On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John M McIntosh wrote: > > > >> Whoever is looking after the Alien Gofer & Flair loader needs to revisit the logic since Flair fights and > >> loses against the current Gofer. Which then prevents Alien from loading as per the instructions supplied > >> on: http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien.html > >> > >> -- > >> =========================================================================== > >> John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > >> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > >> =========================================================================== > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Alien plugin? Status of VMMaker

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo >>> Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker >>> >>> Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. >>> This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise: >>> >>> "add Alien Support Packages" >>> gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; >>> addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'. >>> >>> IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Documen… >> >> This process is a bit outdated, FFI and Speech are not dependencies >> anymore, the dependencies are extracted into FFI-Pools and >> SharedPool-Speech. FFI's repository is http://source.squeak.org/FFI, not >> Ladrillos on squeaksource (it never was). >> Dave made a Monticello configuration for Squeak. Based on that someone >> could create a Metacello configuration. > > It would be great if someone could do a Metacello configuration for this. > I don't know how to do it, so help would be welcome. We will check friday afternoon with mariano may be one Alien and one AlienVMMarker

Jan. 11, 2010

[Pharo-project] [ANN 1.1] pre-built core#11151

by Marcus Denker

... to not have a completely broken prebuilt, I made a new one: http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25163/PharoCore-1.1-11151-UNSTABLE.…

Jan. 11, 2010

[Pharo-project] [Feature Request] Better integration with OSX Window Management

by Stefan Marr

Hello: I just had a very annoying experience with the lake of sufficient window management tools on Mac OS X. (Annoying enough to write this mail...) The following happened: At home I have a external screen attached to my mac book, it is configured to be a secondary screen positioned above the main (internal) screen. The Pharo window was moved to that screen. In the office, I have another configuration, and there was no way to get hold of the Pharo window anymore. It remembered its positioning and was just of screen. Expose allows me to see it, and shows even a beautiful animation moving it out of reach after clicking on it. Obviously the menu SqueakVM > Quit is not really helpful, since the question whether to save or not is displayed unreachable off screen, too. I am not sure whether the standard OS X window menu functionality with "minimize" and "zoom" would help here, but might be a start. On the other hand, I would guess, that the OSX windowing systems sends some events which could be handled like all other windows do. The only workaround for the moment, is to have a external screen and fiddle with the screen configuration and positioning until I can get hold of the window... Not exactly convenient. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 3956 Fax: +32 2 629 3525

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] inspector and auto-update

by Levente Uzonyi

On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> However this behaviour is lacking in a >>> PharoCore1.0rc1 >>> Latest update: #10502 >>> >>> So is that what is expected? >>> >> >> auto-update is supposed to work with the inspector... if not, it's a bug. > > the NewInspector does not support this feature if I remember correctly. In this case it's not an inspector, but an explorer, the name is misleading. Levente > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

It would be cool if it didn't take 3+ hours to load. 2.8 is much more reasonable. Is 3 that much bigger, or is something wrong with the configuration? -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stan Shepherd Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:38 AM To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1 Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Stan Shepherd > <stan.shepherd414(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> The only concern is that it took some hours > > > hours ? seriously ? > > >> to download and install Seaside >> (albeit on a slow spare PC). And with occassional network glitches, I >> had to restart a method a few times from a debugger. > Yes, it was 3 hr 29m on the old machine, but I don't know what percent it was halted due to network glitches. It would be really cool if it made say 3 retries when its HTTP gets failed. I ran overnight on main machine (Ubuntu 9.04, 3 GHz dual core 1GB ram, nominal 7Gb internet but other downloads running) with message tally - 71 minutes. ...Stan -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/BetaTesting-ANN-Pharo1-0-10505-rc1dev10-01-1-tp4278312… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Alien plugin? Status of VMMaker

by David T. Lewis

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 08:51:35AM +0100, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, John M McIntosh wrote: > > > My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo > > Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker > > > > Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. > > This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise: > > > > "add Alien Support Packages" > > gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; > > addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'. > > > > IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Documen… > > This process is a bit outdated, FFI and Speech are not dependencies > anymore, the dependencies are extracted into FFI-Pools and > SharedPool-Speech. FFI's repository is http://source.squeak.org/FFI, not > Ladrillos on squeaksource (it never was). > Dave made a Monticello configuration for Squeak. Based on that someone > could create a Metacello configuration. It would be great if someone could do a Metacello configuration for this. I don't know how to do it, so help would be welcome. Thanks, Dave

Jan. 11, 2010