July 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] About licenses

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys I'm currently scanning all the licenses and making sure we have a clear list and backup. I will update also the list on the web with the last one Boland, Heeck, Leidig, Marshal, Miranda, Schwarz, Tween Thanks guys!

July 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Once upon a time, in a code forest ...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

so in any dark and large enough forest there is a troll too :) Stef On Jul 15, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > ...but to the rescue of these animals there exists a nature reserve. > Within this zone no trees are allowed to be cut, even if they start > rotting. This is where the beetles and other such animals live on ;) > > Adrian > > On Jul 15, 2009, at 05:45 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Oh man...what are you doing here ? You must be writing a book :) >> >> Excellent story! >> >> Mariano >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Guido Stepken <gstepken(a)googlemail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> [That phrase made me think: "we will remove BookMorph because it is >>> a giant >>> huge terrible mess. Now if you want multimedia publishing or >>> creation have >>> you look at openSophie? Stef"] >>> >>> ... some funny looking dwarfs were busy removing code ... >>> >>> That's like walking through a wonderful forest and randomly >>> removing trees >>> or branches, just because the aren't pretty enough or their >>> "copyright" is >>> unclear. >>> >>> Now you have removed many trees in the forest and replaced them by >>> perfectly looking houses. And you have chased away all that funny >>> animals, >>> that were living in that forest, playing around within that >>> unperfect, wild >>> nature, therefore being motivated to participate to help making >>> wood glades >>> or creating funny things ... >>> >>> Now, thanks to some replacements of that old roots, the perfect >>> looking >>> houses can move as triple as fast in the wind, which even can blow >>> much >>> faster now, but the rest of the plants in this forest can't compete >>> the >>> wind, so it is planned to remove them completely. >>> >>> And - yes, the copyright of those new houses is much clearer now. >>> But the >>> wild bear, the badger, the lynx, they still prefer to live in their >>> old >>> caves, giving a shit on who created them in former times, completely >>> ignoring those nice and perfectly looking houses .... that - by the >>> way - >>> can be found everywhere else outside this forest - bigger, greater, >>> much >>> nicer looking and even storm proofed. >>> >>> And the animals in this forest - being a bit sad about those >>> happenings, >>> they lived happily ever after, hopefully. >>> >>> Have fun! >>> >>> Tnx for reading, Guido Stepken >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 15, 2009

[Pharo-project] FillInTheBlankMorph and SimpleButtonMorph

by Alexandre Bergel

This trigger an error when using FillInTheBlank for exemple. Doit: FillInTheBlankMorph request: 'enter something' creating an empty method updateVisualState: in SimpleButtonMorph seems to solve the problem although. Issue #957 Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] feedback

by Alexandre Bergel

> yeah, I agree. > What about 'working set'? 'active set'? 'active pkgs'? 'Working set' is intuitive. >> - Going from Group to hierarchy, and hierarchy -> Group does not >> preserve the selection. This is a crucial point in my opinion. > > ok, will fix this. Let me know, I will be glad to test. > I'm not aware of anything that could have become slower. This is more a general feeling. I will try to be more precise. Another thing: When I right-click on a package in the 'Packages' pane, I have access to the command Various/Add to SmartGroup. Its effect is to add the selected package in the 'working set'. Useful, but maybe the name can be changed? By the way, this command is extremely slow. Cheers, Alexandre >> On 12 Jul 2009, at 18:42, stephane ducasse wrote: >> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>>> Date: July 12, 2009 6:42:00 PM CEDT >>>> To: David RÃ¶thlisberger <roethlis(a)iam.unibe.ch> >>>> Cc: Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch> >>>> Subject: feedback >>>> >>>> could you name it in the menu >>>> >>>> OB Package Browser and not AdaptorBrowere >>>> >>>> Apparently I can get a space in the in the working set >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> <Picture 1.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> here is some feedback >>>> >>>> I would not hardcode - working set - >>>> because you can have multiple ones >>>> -> you have that already with group (a working set is just a >>>> group) >>>> so I would not make any distinction (just stress the current one >>>> may be with a star or bold). >>>> >>>> From a vocabulary standpoint I would use smart groups everywhere >>>> (it fits the button labeling) >>>> >>>> I'm not sure that I would make a distinction between selected by >>>> hand and recently modified. >>>> there are the same: create a focus. Here is what I propose >>>> >>>> - the recently modified should go to the current smart group. >>>> - I can select an item and move to current smart group or drag it >>>> to the group I want >>>> - I can select a group and mark it as current. >>>> - I can delete a smart group >>>> - then you have the results and this is ok (cannot be current), >>>> - then when I create a new smart group I must give it a name (so >>>> no --working sets --) >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] WAKom

by Michael Rueger

Robert Sirois wrote: > > WAKom doesn't work in Pharo? I believe I have the correct image and VM: > > I'm getting the following from 'WAKom startOn: 9050': > > 'BlockClosure(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #newProcessWithBindings:' You might be missing the dynamic binding package (not sure about the exact name). Michael

July 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Once upon a time, in a code forest ...

by Adrian Lienhard

...but to the rescue of these animals there exists a nature reserve. Within this zone no trees are allowed to be cut, even if they start rotting. This is where the beetles and other such animals live on ;) Adrian On Jul 15, 2009, at 05:45 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Oh man...what are you doing here ? You must be writing a book :) > > Excellent story! > > Mariano > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Guido Stepken <gstepken(a)googlemail.com > >wrote: > >> [That phrase made me think: "we will remove BookMorph because it is >> a giant >> huge terrible mess. Now if you want multimedia publishing or >> creation have >> you look at openSophie? Stef"] >> >> ... some funny looking dwarfs were busy removing code ... >> >> That's like walking through a wonderful forest and randomly >> removing trees >> or branches, just because the aren't pretty enough or their >> "copyright" is >> unclear. >> >> Now you have removed many trees in the forest and replaced them by >> perfectly looking houses. And you have chased away all that funny >> animals, >> that were living in that forest, playing around within that >> unperfect, wild >> nature, therefore being motivated to participate to help making >> wood glades >> or creating funny things ... >> >> Now, thanks to some replacements of that old roots, the perfect >> looking >> houses can move as triple as fast in the wind, which even can blow >> much >> faster now, but the rest of the plants in this forest can't compete >> the >> wind, so it is planned to remove them completely. >> >> And - yes, the copyright of those new houses is much clearer now. >> But the >> wild bear, the badger, the lynx, they still prefer to live in their >> old >> caves, giving a shit on who created them in former times, completely >> ignoring those nice and perfectly looking houses .... that - by the >> way - >> can be found everywhere else outside this forest - bigger, greater, >> much >> nicer looking and even storm proofed. >> >> And the animals in this forest - being a bit sad about those >> happenings, >> they lived happily ever after, hopefully. >> >> Have fun! >> >> Tnx for reading, Guido Stepken >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Problem with encoding and double quotes

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Interesting....I found anothers two. Damn! No only those typographical quotes but also this 'â' thing that Word puts I think when you type one '-' after another '-'. For example '--' it converts it to 'â' and that is 8211 ascii. Then when you type '...' sometimes it converts it to 'â¦' (they are not just 3 dots., they are smaller and nearer each other). This ascii is 8230 See here: http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm When you put them in a Pier page, they are properly rendered. But, when you ask the ascii to those characters in pharo, they are >255 and they are out of range compared to "matchTable" Best, Mariano On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger(a)acm.org> wrote: > >> 2009/7/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> >> The quotes you are mentioning are typographical quotes with unicode >> values > 255. >> >> > If I copy paste "Muelle Almirante Storni" in a workspace of Pharo, it >> is >> > perfectly understood. But if I paste I get: >> > ?Muelle Almirante Storni? >> >> I'm confused what works and doesn't work. Copy/paste within Pharo with >> normal or typographical quotes? > > > Normal work perfect. With typographical when I past it, the quotes are > replaced by '?' and thus I see ?Muelle Almirante Storni? > > >> >> >> > ' âMuelle Almirante Storniâ' findString: 'esquel' startingAt: 1 >> > caseSensitive: false >> > This has a problem (index out of range) because internaly it tries to >> ask >> > the asciiValue and this answers 2881 -> absurd >> >> > Is this a bug? or it is just like this ? >> >> sounds like two different bugs, the paste problem (if I understood you >> correctly) and the search problem. > > > In addition, I did this tests in Windows (the rest was Linux) and in > windows works perfect all the situations with both quotes. > > >> >> >> Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

July 15, 2009

[Pharo-project] WAKom

by Robert Sirois

WAKom doesn't work in Pharo? I believe I have the correct image and VM: I'm getting the following from 'WAKom startOn: 9050': 'BlockClosure(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #newProcessWithBindings:' Thanks, RS _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC thatâs right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

July 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Once upon a time, in a code forest ...

by Igor Stasenko

2009/7/15 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > Oh man...what are you doing here ? You must be writing a book :) > > Excellent story! > By reading that story, i wanted to write another one, about swamp & rotten carcasses down there, about poisonous fluids spreading around it.. and, of course, about snakes & frogs who very like to live down there and speaking loudly that their swamp is the best swamp in the world. But i'm too busy to write it :) > Mariano > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Guido Stepken <gstepken(a)googlemail.com> > wrote: >> >> [That phrase made me think: "we will remove BookMorph because it is a >> giant huge terrible mess. Now if you want multimedia publishing or creation >> have you look at openSophie? Stef"] >> >> ... some funny looking dwarfs were busy removing code ... >> >> That's like walking through a wonderful forest and randomly removing trees >> or branches, just because the aren't pretty enough or their "copyright" is >> unclear. >> >> Now you have removed many trees in the forest and replaced them by >> perfectly looking houses. And you have chased away all that funny animals, >> that were living in that forest, playing around within that unperfect, wild >> nature, therefore being motivated to participate to help making wood glades >> or creating funny things ... >> >> Now, thanks to some replacements of that old roots, the perfect looking >> houses can move as triple as fast in the wind, which even can blow much >> faster now, but the rest of the plants in this forest can't compete the >> wind, so it is planned to remove them completely. >> >> And - yes, the copyright of those new houses is much clearer now. But the >> wild bear, the badger, the lynx, they still prefer to live in their old >> caves, giving a shit on who created them in former times, completely >> ignoring those nice and perfectly looking houses .... that - by the way - >> can be found everywhere else outside this forest - bigger, greater, much >> nicer looking and even storm proofed. >> >> And the animals in this forest - being a bit sad about those happenings, >> they lived happily ever after, hopefully. >> >> Have fun! >> >> Tnx for reading, Guido Stepken >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

by Keith Hodges

HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > So, please correct me if I am wrong: > > 1) The most secure cross-fork way to update Monticello for clean images is > > HTTPSocket httpFileIn: 'ftp.squeak.org/3.11/scripts/LPF.st > <http://ftp.squeak.org/3.11/scripts/LPF.st>'. that method is not supported in older squeaks. > 2) Installer is necessary to update Monticello to 1.5 or 1.6 > > 3) It is well-know that packages like OmniBrowser doesn't load after > this update is done? (at least in Squeak images) > Thats possibly a bug in OB, it calls withSubclassesDo: on a trait. Its not well known to me, fixing the above I can generate the dev images > See http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7369 If other patches are required, the monticello scripts for loading into Pharo are in InstallerScripts, and you are welcome to maintain them there Keith

July 15, 2009