December 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] New User Experience Suggestion for 1.0

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Interesting analogy given Pharo's roots in something widely (and proudly) considered a toy by its creators. However, a game is simply an entertainment medium, and it either works for you or it does not. A programming language hopefully gets a better look, and one with a free pdf book including a walk-through should be worth a noob's time. That said, a workspace full of examples is fine with me. But I continue to think that we should point people to PBE. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stephen Taylor Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:48 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] New User Experience Suggestion for 1.0 Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > The counter argument is that PBE is readily available and very well written. It is, but I think it's well worth considering what people think in their first couple of seconds of exposure to a new product - especially something like Smalltalk where people may well be looking at it only from idle curiosity. When I think how quickly and arbitrarily I can reject a game that someone's spent three years sweating blood over... Steve _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 8, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Dev09.12.1 does not look nice on Linux

by Marcus Denker

On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: > but why the previous verson of pharo worked fine? there must be > something different in this new image... > It uses pre-rendered sub-pixel fonts instead of rendering the fonts via FreeType. (Much faster, not quite as nice in details). Freetype fonts are available if needed, though. The pre-rendered fonts just replace the 80ties=looking Squeak fonts and provide a good enough selection for a development image. Marcus > 2009/12/8 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: >> Hi, >> I had the same issue with exupery vm. Works with VM Squeak-3.11.3.2135. >> See: http://n2.nabble.com/New-pharo-images-td4125021.html#a4125467 >> Laurent >> >> 2009/12/8 Hernan Wilkinson <hernan.wilkinson(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> Hi, >>> the last version's fonts look really bad. See attached files >>> I have Ubuntu 9.10, 64 bits. >>> Dev09.11.4 looks fine >>> Maybe is a preference setting? >>> Hernan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 8, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Dev09.12.1 does not look nice on Linux

by Henrik Johansen

The default fonts were changed, now Bitmap StrikeFonts are used instead of a TrueType font. Thus, the rendering method is completely different, and the use in StrikeFont rendering of some BitBlt methods revealed bugs in the alpha channel handling in said methods that previously went unnoticed. (Thus an updated VM/BitBlt plugin in required for them to render correctly). Cheers, Henry On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:27 44PM, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: > but why the previous verson of pharo worked fine? there must be > something different in this new image... > > 2009/12/8 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: >> Hi, >> I had the same issue with exupery vm. Works with VM Squeak-3.11.3.2135. >> See: http://n2.nabble.com/New-pharo-images-td4125021.html#a4125467 >> Laurent >> >> 2009/12/8 Hernan Wilkinson <hernan.wilkinson(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> Hi, >>> the last version's fonts look really bad. See attached files >>> I have Ubuntu 9.10, 64 bits. >>> Dev09.11.4 looks fine >>> Maybe is a preference setting? >>> Hernan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 8, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Dev09.12.1 does not look nice on Linux

by Hernan Wilkinson

but why the previous verson of pharo worked fine? there must be something different in this new image... 2009/12/8 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > I had the same issue with exupery vm. Works with VMÂ Â Squeak-3.11.3.2135. > See:Â http://n2.nabble.com/New-pharo-images-td4125021.html#a4125467 > Laurent > > 2009/12/8 Hernan Wilkinson <hernan.wilkinson(a)gmail.com> >> >> Hi, >> Â the last version's fonts look really bad. See attached files >> Â I have Ubuntu 9.10, 64 bits. >> Â Dev09.11.4 looks fine >> Â Maybe is a preference setting? >> Hernan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 8, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] systemwindow grabbing fix

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Alain, If this is what I think it is, THANKS!! AFAIK, Pinesoft's StandardWindow is immune, which might offer some helpful code?? Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Alain Plantec Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:40 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] systemwindow grabbing fix SLICE-Issue420-SystemWindowAboutToBeGrabbedBy-Try2 is in InBox ------------------- * fix the systemwindow grab problem (when the user grab a window from outside the window title bar) ------------------- Alain _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 8, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] can I debug a primitive?

by Adrian Lienhard

That would be nice indeed. And you can do it if you simulate the VM, i.e., run the interpreter inside an image as Smalltalk code. To get the interpreter working may be challenging, though. I once had a working version and submitted some patches to Mantis. I don't think these were integrated, though. Also note that in the debugger you just see pointers and not objects, so even with the Smalltalk debugger it can get complicated to debug the VM. Adrian On Dec 8, 2009, at 16:07 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Yes, I am newbie with low stuff like this. I have downloaded VMMaker > and > browse the class Interpreter to see the smalltalk (slang) code of the > primitives I want to investigate that are primitiveStoreImageSegment > and > primitiveLoadImageSegment.....now, the question is, should I be able > to put > a self halt there and debug it? I tried but I did nothing. Is this > possible ? I thought it was :( > > Thanks for the help. > > Mariano > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 8, 2009

[Pharo-project] can I debug a primitive?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Yes, I am newbie with low stuff like this. I have downloaded VMMaker and browse the class Interpreter to see the smalltalk (slang) code of the primitives I want to investigate that are primitiveStoreImageSegment and primitiveLoadImageSegment.....now, the question is, should I be able to put a self halt there and debug it? I tried but I did nothing. Is this possible ? I thought it was :( Thanks for the help. Mariano

Dec. 8, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10500

by Levente Uzonyi

On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Gary Chambers wrote: > As for Preferences, they are like that (the "old" preference browser doesn't > behave well with cross-dependent settings unless special care is taken). This is in 1.0rc1 and there's no "new" stuff for preference browsing. Levente > > Regards, Gary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Levente Uzonyi" <leves(a)elte.hu> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10500 > > >> On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> >>> It seems that with your setup the FreeType fonts are rendered without >>> subpixel AA. >>> >> >> Well, this is what's coming out of the box for windows users. I tried >> tweaking the preferences and got better results with HintingNormal instead >> of the default HintingLight. Btw the preferences for FreeType are broken, >> the Preference Browser shows the preferences as enabled even if you >> disable them. Opening a new Preference Browser shows the correct values. >> >> >> Levente >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 8, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New User Experience Suggestion for 1.0

by Tim Mackinnon

Can I suggest something like the following (all suggestions welcome - I am trying to have something that is welcoming as well as something that allows people to jump right in and try things, and/or then go to places with more complete documentation like others have suggested): Pharo+Seaside 1.0 RC1 (Title in bold if we can do this like the old Squeak one) Welcome to Pharo + Seaside, a clean, innovative, free and open-source Smalltalk environment aimed at both professional and recreational programmers alike. To get a quick feeling of what is possible with Pharo, open a browser with http://localhost:8080/seaside and explore some of the examples. To administer Seaside, this environment is configured with username: admin and password: seaside If you are curious and want to view some code behind these examples, single click on the background of the main window, choose "Class Browser" and type WACounter. You can then browse the methods for the simple counter and try modifying some of the code, live! If you are new to Smalltalk we recommended that you use this environment and follow the tutorial at http://pharobyexample.org/ Alternatively If you are interested in jumping straight into web development with Pharo and Seaside you can follow the tutorial at http://book.seaside.st/book Finally, have fun with Smalltalk, and make sure you follow the progress of Pharo at http://www.pharo-project.org Tim On 8 Dec 2009, at 08:23, Damien Cassou wrote: > Hi Tim, > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Tim Mackinnon <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Guys - do you think you might consider bringing back the little Readme Workspace in the final 1.0 image (or maybe 1.1)? > > there is no technical difficulty. Could you please provide a text? I > will take care of putting it in a workspace. There may be something in > the Pharo wiki already. > > Thank you > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 8, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Dev09.12.1 does not look nice on Linux

by laurent laffont

Hi, I had the same issue with exupery vm. Works with VM Squeak-3.11.3.2135. See: http://n2.nabble.com/New-pharo-images-td4125021.html#a4125467 Laurent 2009/12/8 Hernan Wilkinson <hernan.wilkinson(a)gmail.com> > Hi, > the last version's fonts look really bad. See attached files > I have Ubuntu 9.10, 64 bits. > Dev09.11.4 looks fine > Maybe is a preference setting? > Hernan > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 8, 2009