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Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?

by keith

On 16 Dec 2009, at 16:21, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> 2009/12/16 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro.diaz.trepat(a)jpmorgan.com>: >> I really miss that feature. >> In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different >> images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from >> newer versions. >> Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely >> since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. >> Cheers >> > What prevents you from copying the workspace text, open your favorite > text editor, paste text there and save it in a file? >> >> r >> > > Or use the File Browser, that's why it's there, even though it's a bit > broken in pharo. > > > Levente >> A fix for this was posted to Mantis for Squeak 3.10 (search for workspace), allowing save, and revert. The workspace is able to mirror a text file and respond to cmd-S to save to the file. Keith

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?

by Levente Uzonyi

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Igor Stasenko wrote: > 2009/12/16 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro.diaz.trepat(a)jpmorgan.com>: > I really miss that feature. > In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. > Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. > Cheers > What prevents you from copying the workspace text, open your favorite text editor, paste text there and save it in a file? > > r > Or use the File Browser, that's why it's there, even though it's a bit broken in pharo. Levente > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > for me it was political/educational to remove it. > > I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). > because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? > Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other > images..... > > Stef > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, CÃ©drick BÃ©ler wrote: > >> I think this is a valuable feature. >> >> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. >> >> CÃ©drick >> >> 2009/12/16 alesch <alex(a)schenkman.info> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. >> >> You can't. Do you misss that feature? >> >> Yes I do. >> >> >> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of > securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, > confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, > available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?

by Igor Stasenko

2009/12/16 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro.diaz.trepat(a)jpmorgan.com>: > I really miss that feature. > In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. > Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. > Cheers > What prevents you from copying the workspace text, open your favorite text editor, paste text there and save it in a file? > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > for me it was political/educational to remove it. > > I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). > because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? > Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other > images..... > > Stef > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, CÃ©drick BÃ©ler wrote: > >> I think this is a valuable feature. >> >> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. >> >> CÃ©drick >> >> 2009/12/16 alesch <alex(a)schenkman.info> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. >> >> You can't. Do you misss that feature? >> >> Yes I do. >> >> >> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of > securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, > confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, > available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, I also miss the ready ability to save a workspace. With respect, it is not your place to dictate working methods. You are correct that one can easily over-use workspaces and under-use class methods. However, one can also over-use class methods when a new test case is more appropriate. Rather than removing basic features, we should add capabilities to encourage good practice by making things as easy as possible. Dolphin's IDE extensions are a nice feature that I *really* miss in Pharo. One thing I added is a way to create test case methods based on a currently selected method. Each class can specify a TestCase subclass, and the methods were automatically named based on the selected method's name; the code is generated and proposed for optional compiling with warning of conflicts. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Ramiro Diaz Trepat Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:44 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? I really miss that feature. In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? for me it was political/educational to remove it. I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images..... Stef On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, CÃ©drick BÃ©ler wrote: > I think this is a valuable feature. > > Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. > > CÃ©drick > > 2009/12/16 alesch <alex(a)schenkman.info> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, > Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. > > You can't. Do you misss that feature? > > Yes I do. > > > View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] need hunter to kill the double paste bug.

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger(a)acm.org> wrote: > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> ok....I think now I get it now (sorry I was trying with another image >> wothout the .cs hahahah) >> > > ;-) > So this is a double paste although you are hitting cmd-v only once? > yes. > There a two complete event sets with key-down-stroke-up for cmd v... Very > weird... > OK, need to get more information out this... > > Could you please execute the following next time and send the Transcript > log: > > LastEvents do: [:each | > Transcript show: each printString; tab; show: each timeStamp > asString; cr] > > ok, I did it twice First: [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] 15661778 [keyUp 'v'] 15661778 [keyDown '<Cmd-v>'] 15663466 [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] 15663466 [keyUp 'v'] 15663466 [keyDown '<Cmd-v>'] 15668253 [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] 15668253 [keyUp 'v'] 15668253 [keyDown '<Cmd-v>'] 15668271 [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] 15668271 [keyUp 'v'] 15668271 (notice all events are the same timestamp) However, in the second one: [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] 15773108 [keyUp 'v'] 15773108 [keyDown '<Cmd-v>'] 15775001 [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] 15775002 [keyUp 'v'] 15775002 [keyDown '<Cmd-v>'] 15776727 [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] 15776727 [keyUp 'v'] 15776727 [keyDown '<Cmd-v>'] 15776747 [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] 15776747 [keyUp 'v'] 15776747 > > Thanks for helping! > > you are welcome > Michael >

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] need hunter to kill the double paste bug.

by Michael Rueger

Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > ok....I think now I get it now (sorry I was trying with another image > wothout the .cs hahahah) ;-) So this is a double paste although you are hitting cmd-v only once? There a two complete event sets with key-down-stroke-up for cmd v... Very weird... OK, need to get more information out this... Could you please execute the following next time and send the Transcript log: LastEvents do: [:each | Transcript show: each printString; tab; show: each timeStamp asString; cr] Thanks for helping! Michael

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] need hunter to kill the double paste bug.

by Mariano Martinez Peck

ok....I think now I get it now (sorry I was trying with another image wothout the .cs hahahah) On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger(a)acm.org> wrote: > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Is this one better? >> > > There are still no paste events in the event log. > Here's what the tail of my log looks like: > > an OrderedCollection([keyUp '<euro>'] [keyUp ' '] [keyDown '<cr>'] > [keystroke '<cr>'] [keyUp '<cr>'] [keyDown '<Cmd- >'] [keyDown '<Cmd-V>'] > [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] [keyUp '<Cmd-V>'] [keyUp ' '] [keyDown '<Cmd- >']) > > I used > {LastClipPaste. LastEvents.} > to get an Inspector on both variables using mouse and menu only. > > Michael > > >

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] need hunter to kill the double paste bug.

by Michael Rueger

Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Is this one better? There are still no paste events in the event log. Here's what the tail of my log looks like: an OrderedCollection([keyUp '<euro>'] [keyUp ''] [keyDown '<cr>'] [keystroke '<cr>'] [keyUp '<cr>'] [keyDown '<Cmd->'] [keyDown '<Cmd-V>'] [keystroke '<Cmd-v>'] [keyUp '<Cmd-V>'] [keyUp ''] [keyDown '<Cmd->']) I used {LastClipPaste. LastEvents.} to get an Inspector on both variables using mouse and menu only. Michael

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] need hunter to kill the double paste bug.

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Is this one better? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger(a)acm.org> wrote: > >> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> sorry....here it is >>> >> >> Thanks! >> But... >> could it be you used keyboard shortcuts to open the windows and move >> around the UI? That would overwrite the "interesting" key events in the >> log... >> >> > Uffff...what stupid I am...so...if I can reproduce it again, I just use > mouse buttons and no shortcuts after the paste ? > > >> Michael >> >> >

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] need hunter to kill the double paste bug.

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger(a)acm.org> wrote: > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> sorry....here it is >> > > Thanks! > But... > could it be you used keyboard shortcuts to open the windows and move around > the UI? That would overwrite the "interesting" key events in the log... > > Uffff...what stupid I am...so...if I can reproduce it again, I just use mouse buttons and no shortcuts after the paste ? > Michael > >

Dec. 16, 2009