September 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Product Brand Pharo

by Marcus Denker

On 22.09.2008, at 18:58, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Beginners always lament on the default look of Squeak. Hopefully > this will change with Pharo and Truetype/Polymorph. > > Some comments on the pharo one click image: > > I dont know who builds the custom VM for Pharo - but the icon > is the one from Seaside and should be replaced. > I did not look at the windows vm (besides coping the dlls there). The icon needs to be replaced. > > > Attached is a modified Pharo.ini and a sample splash file. > Just put it in the same directory as the EXE file for the one click > install. > Thanks a lot! One question: is the splash-screen really needed? On my mac it starts *extremely* fast. Instantly, actually. > Do we have access to professinal designer for a good looking > splash/website/icons? Are there any plans regarding this? Yes. Samuel Morello is our Designer. The website is nearly done, in addition there will be a Pharo theme for Polymorph. Gary and Samuel offert to collaborate on that. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Sept. 22, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype + Polymorph

by Bill Schwab

Igor, Ah, but you miss the point, wise and kind sir :) Dumbing down users makes them less able to pirate software. That aside, assuming I unzip the files into a folder of my chosing[*] and run Pharo.exe, what should happen? I will unzip it elsewhere to see what I find. One of my attempts lead to "file not found." It looks too correct to be corrupt download, so I'm thinking MS is tripping up over file names. Bill [*] Seriously, each update cycle, this particular XP box gets weirder and weirder. Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> siguctua(a)gmail.com 9/22/2008 12:28:05 PM >>> 2008/9/22 Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>: > I appeared to get a valid download, but something isn't right. Is the > idea to download, unzip (MS seems to make this flakier with every > update???), and then launch Pharo.exe? Are there separate image and > change files? I do not see them, just a LOT of folders/files that are > giving my Java flashbacks. > MS people invented term of 'installing software' , while in most cases it can be done by simply copying files. And one of the results of such 'invention' that now people simply can't make simplest things like unpacking acrhive to choosen folder and run the program by themselves - they think in a terms of 'icon on desktop' or 'icon in the launch menu'.. A progress. What i can say. >From this POV, the distribution is still far away from the 'one-click', because , in my vision, a single click should be in browser, and after this click you should have everything up and running on your PC. :) > My assumption was that this is a prepared image with Polymorph and TT > loaded, and on seeing the structure, I figured it was a Sophie-like > distribution. Are my expectations skewed? Please let me know if I am > missing something. Otherwise, I will try this again later. > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 22, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Case of caseOf

by Marcus Denker

On 22.09.2008, at 19:50, Stefan Schmiedl wrote: > >> Of course, i can't blame people doing this. Sometimes we need results >> fast. And when things done & working, we need something else to do >> (fast as well) :) > > hmm... I wonder about the long-term effects of this approach though. > This instant-gratification-code is what a friend of mine usually left > around for me to take care of and clean up and it tends to mutate into > dangerous beasts when left unattended for a while. One could describe the coding style of much of Morphic and all of Etoys as "programming as if there would be no tommorow" ;-) Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Sept. 22, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Case of caseOf

by Stefan Schmiedl

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:03:31 +0300 "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > and i doubt that such 'not-so-three' lines are more readable than line > , presented by me :) true. my oversight. > I suspecting that this code was ported to smalltalk from C, and > 'caseOf:' used simply because it is easier to port things blindly, in > same manner as it was written in original, than doing hard work > rewriting code to accommodate in new language/environment. Or the original implementor was under the impression/constraint that only "primitive" data types could be transmitted. > Of course, i can't blame people doing this. Sometimes we need results > fast. And when things done & working, we need something else to do > (fast as well) :) hmm... I wonder about the long-term effects of this approach though. This instant-gratification-code is what a friend of mine usually left around for me to take care of and clean up and it tends to mutate into dangerous beasts when left unattended for a while. just making smalltalk, s.

Sept. 22, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype + Polymorph

by Igor Stasenko

2008/9/22 Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>: > I appeared to get a valid download, but something isn't right. Is the > idea to download, unzip (MS seems to make this flakier with every > update???), and then launch Pharo.exe? Are there separate image and > change files? I do not see them, just a LOT of folders/files that are > giving my Java flashbacks. > MS people invented term of 'installing software' , while in most cases it can be done by simply copying files. And one of the results of such 'invention' that now people simply can't make simplest things like unpacking acrhive to choosen folder and run the program by themselves - they think in a terms of 'icon on desktop' or 'icon in the launch menu'.. A progress. What i can say. >From this POV, the distribution is still far away from the 'one-click', because , in my vision, a single click should be in browser, and after this click you should have everything up and running on your PC. :) > My assumption was that this is a prepared image with Polymorph and TT > loaded, and on seeing the structure, I figured it was a Sophie-like > distribution. Are my expectations skewed? Please let me know if I am > missing something. Otherwise, I will try this again later. > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 22, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype + Polymorph

by Marcus Denker

On 22.09.2008, at 19:03, Bill Schwab wrote: > I appeared to get a valid download, but something isn't right. Is the > idea to download, unzip (MS seems to make this flakier with every > update???), and then launch Pharo.exe? Are there separate image and > change files? I do not see them, just a LOT of folders/files that are > giving my Java flashbacks. > > My assumption was that this is a prepared image with Polymorph and TT > loaded, and on seeing the structure, I figured it was a Sophie-like > distribution. Are my expectations skewed? Please let me know if I am > missing something. Otherwise, I will try this again later. It's a sophie-style distribution. On the mac, this is a single .exe file. (called .app). Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Sept. 22, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Case of caseOf

by Igor Stasenko

2008/9/22 Stefan Schmiedl <s(a)xss.de>: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:25:16 +0300 > "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I see no real usage of #caseOf: or #caseOf:otherwise: in Pharo - just >> in single place (ProcessBrowser). >> However, i see a multiple places in Croquet image where it is used in a form of: >> >> cmd := data at: 1. >> cases := { .... }. >> cmd caseOf: cases. >> >> >> Which also proves that it not worth using it, because it can be simply >> replaced by single line: > > Yes, it *can* be replaced, but *should* it be replaced? > The three lines above are way more readable than the one line below. > You forgot, that there is more than just three lines , because between curly braces you'll have something like: caseA -> [ self dosomethingWithData ]. caseB -> [ self dosomethingElseWithData ]. ... It is completely different from smalltalk style, where we have many methods but containing few lines of code. and i doubt that such 'not-so-three' lines are more readable than line , presented by me :) >> self perform: (cmdSelectors at: (data at:1) ) withPossibleArguments: >> (Array with: data). > > How about going after the creator of the data array first? It seems to > be a primitive data structure wanting to become a MessageSend or > something similar. it is used in places where code encoding/decoding data packets (my guess), and its first byte indicating a packet type, or something like that. I suspecting that this code was ported to smalltalk from C, and 'caseOf:' used simply because it is easier to port things blindly, in same manner as it was written in original, than doing hard work rewriting code to accommodate in new language/environment. Of course, i can't blame people doing this. Sometimes we need results fast. And when things done & working, we need something else to do (fast as well) :) > > Just making smalltalk, > s. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 22, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype + Polymorph

by Bill Schwab

I appeared to get a valid download, but something isn't right. Is the idea to download, unzip (MS seems to make this flakier with every update???), and then launch Pharo.exe? Are there separate image and change files? I do not see them, just a LOT of folders/files that are giving my Java flashbacks. My assumption was that this is a prepared image with Polymorph and TT loaded, and on seeing the structure, I figured it was a Sophie-like distribution. Are my expectations skewed? Please let me know if I am missing something. Otherwise, I will try this again later. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029

Sept. 22, 2008

[Pharo-project] Product Brand Pharo

by Torsten Bergmann

Beginners always lament on the default look of Squeak. Hopefully this will change with Pharo and Truetype/Polymorph. Some comments on the pharo one click image: I dont know who builds the custom VM for Pharo - but the icon is the one from Seaside and should be replaced. There are various parameters in the *.ini file to product brand a squeak VM based application therefore I would also recommend to add the folling lines into the Pharo.ini file: WindowTitle=Pharo This sets the window title to Pharo instead of Squeak and QuitDialogMessage="Quit Pharo without saving?" QuitDialogLabel=Pharo adapts the quit message box of the VM. At least on Win32. See http://www.squeakvm.org/win32/settings.html It would also be good to have a splash screen with the logo or some decent looking graphics/logo combination. The splash screen typically is a *.bmp file located in the same directory as pharo.exe and the default name is splash.bmp. You can set up another name again in the pharo.ini file: SplashScreen="pharo.bmp" SplashTitle=Pharo SplashTime=2000 Attached is a modified Pharo.ini and a sample splash file. Just put it in the same directory as the EXE file for the one click install. Do we have access to professinal designer for a good looking splash/website/icons? Are there any plans regarding this? Thanks Torsten -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehÃ¶rt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger

Sept. 22, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Case of caseOf

by Stefan Schmiedl

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:25:16 +0300 "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I see no real usage of #caseOf: or #caseOf:otherwise: in Pharo - just > in single place (ProcessBrowser). > However, i see a multiple places in Croquet image where it is used in a form of: > > cmd := data at: 1. > cases := { .... }. > cmd caseOf: cases. > > > Which also proves that it not worth using it, because it can be simply > replaced by single line: Yes, it *can* be replaced, but *should* it be replaced? The three lines above are way more readable than the one line below. > self perform: (cmdSelectors at: (data at:1) ) withPossibleArguments: > (Array with: data). How about going after the creator of the data array first? It seems to be a primitive data structure wanting to become a MessageSend or something similar. Just making smalltalk, s.

Sept. 22, 2008