September 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] about http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6336

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi klaus I would like to include the following in pharo about http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6336 can you tell me if I should pay attention to something in particular. Stef

Sept. 23, 2008

[Pharo-project] Re: First pharo-dev with limited package set + a Shout workspace where highlighting can be toggled

by Andrew Tween

Attached is a fileout of the Shout Workspace class, modified so that the Syntax Highlighting can be toggled from the title bar menu. see attached pic It remembers the last toggle value in a class inst var and uses that as the default for any new workspaces opened. This could easily be changed to be a real Preference setting. You can try it out in the pharo-dev image, just install it and open a new Workspace. What do people think? Cheers, Andy "Adrian Lienhard" <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote in message news:1E60C000-96B4-44FE-95F8-F19B951E0D41@netstyle.ch... For sake of simplicity I would prefer to have just one menu item. I would put just the workspace without highlighting. Like Bill, I don't need my notes or code snippets in the workspace colorized. Which version of the workspace do people use most often? Adrian On Sep 23, 2008, at 13:58 , Damien Cassou wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Adrian Lienhard > <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: >> Question: Does this include Universes? It's not listed below but I see >> the >> menu item (which does not work because of a deprecation warning). I >> think we >> need Universes mainly because Seaside will be packaged with Universes >> soon, >> and being able to easily load Seaside is a key requirement for Pharo. > > > Universes and Installer are present. They are not listed because I > installed them by hand and not by using Universe. I will fix it for > the next version. > >> Another thing we need to look at (and I planned to do this) is the open >> menu. With all the additional packages in the dev version its even worse >> than before. For example there are 3(!) items for opening a workspace > > I think we need to keep two entries. Something like 'Smalltalk > workspace' and 'Text workspace'. What do you think? > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 23, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Sophie in Java

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Terrible! I'm really sad. And I went to give them lectures for free..... No comment. Stef > Hi all, > > the Mellon foundation just approved the grant to Astea in Bulgaria > to redevelop Sophie in Java! Astea (http://asteasolutions.com) are > the nice guys that we trained and who then turned around, stating on > their web site that they developed Sophie, took our Sophie documents > and artwork for their proposal and managed to persuade Mellon to > actually give them money... > > We moved the current Sophie project to http://opensophie.org, hoping > to keep Sophie alive and making Sophie better than what they can > come up with. > > And why I'm sending this to the Pharo list? > Pharo already has so much promise as a base system, hopefully > providing in the core already what we had to re-invent in Sophie > because it didn't work in the main Squeak version. The Freetype > stuff already turned out really well! Hopefully more to come. > > And once I finish these new etoys installers I can do some Pharo > work too, hopefully ;-) > > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 23, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] First pharo-dev with limited package set

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

The problem is that preferences are a plague. So why not but .... > Stef, > > How about a preference for both? I generally find the color > annoying in workspaces, and _greatly_ appreciate shout in browsers > and the debugger. > > There is a preference to disable automatic definition of workspace > variables??? Great idea!!! I'm not a fan of them. > > Bill > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > >>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 9/23/2008 11:08:17 AM >>> > Damien > > I would go for the workspace with color. > and we should set the pref to have to type | | to declare varaibles. > > > stef > > On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> uh? does not work for me no idea what is a Smalltalk workspace. >> >> a workspace to write Smalltalk code as opposed to a workspace to >> write text. >> >> At the beginning, the ShoutWorkspace replaced the Workspace but some >> people complained. That's why there are two workspaces now. I've >> never >> used the non-colored workspace: when I want to write text, I enclose >> it in quotes. >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good >> luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 23, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] First pharo-dev with limited package set

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

For notes we should call it TextPad and not workspace. Stef On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: > Damien, > > I thought about that, but it all get colored the way I LIKE having > my method comments colored - I do NOT<g> like that for my notes. > Shout is very helpful, and the rendering speed and stability are > nothing short of amazing. However, I want a choice in what I use > for a workspace, and it is almost always going to be plain text. > Having the two menu options is fine/preferred, but a preference > would work too. > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > >>>> damien.cassou(a)gmail.com 9/23/2008 9:30:05 AM >>> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> uh? does not work for me no idea what is a Smalltalk workspace. > > a workspace to write Smalltalk code as opposed to a workspace to > write text. > > At the beginning, the ShoutWorkspace replaced the Workspace but some > people complained. That's why there are two workspaces now. I've never > used the non-colored workspace: when I want to write text, I enclose > it in quotes. > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 23, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] First pharo-dev with limited package set

by Bill Schwab

Stef, How about a preference for both? I generally find the color annoying in workspaces, and _greatly_ appreciate shout in browsers and the debugger. There is a preference to disable automatic definition of workspace variables??? Great idea!!! I'm not a fan of them. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 9/23/2008 11:08:17 AM >>> Damien I would go for the workspace with color. and we should set the pref to have to type | | to declare varaibles. stef On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> uh? does not work for me no idea what is a Smalltalk workspace. > > a workspace to write Smalltalk code as opposed to a workspace to > write text. > > At the beginning, the ShoutWorkspace replaced the Workspace but some > people complained. That's why there are two workspaces now. I've never > used the non-colored workspace: when I want to write text, I enclose > it in quotes. > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 23, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] First pharo-dev with limited package set

by Bill Schwab

Damien, I thought about that, but it all get colored the way I LIKE having my method comments colored - I do NOT<g> like that for my notes. Shout is very helpful, and the rendering speed and stability are nothing short of amazing. However, I want a choice in what I use for a workspace, and it is almost always going to be plain text. Having the two menu options is fine/preferred, but a preference would work too. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> damien.cassou(a)gmail.com 9/23/2008 9:30:05 AM >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > uh? does not work for me no idea what is a Smalltalk workspace. a workspace to write Smalltalk code as opposed to a workspace to write text. At the beginning, the ShoutWorkspace replaced the Workspace but some people complained. That's why there are two workspaces now. I've never used the non-colored workspace: when I want to write text, I enclose it in quotes. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Sept. 23, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Demo with both Truetype + Polymorph

by Hilaire Fernandes

Works like a charm on a classmate with windows xp. Hilaire 2008/9/21 Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch>: > > Here is a Demo with TrueType fonts and Polymorph installed (only tested on > Mac). > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/7268/Pharo0.1-PolymorphTT.zip > > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire

Sept. 23, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Tree View in OmniBrowser

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

>> >> Sound very interesting. Can you attach a small screenshoot for us who won't >> be able to test it directly? >> better than a screenshot, an image: http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/PharoOBTreeView.rar really cool :) CÃ©drick ps: sorry to use seasidehosting for that ;) but my ftp is too slow...

Sept. 23, 2008

[Pharo-project] [OT] Sophie in Java

by Michael Rueger

Hi all, the Mellon foundation just approved the grant to Astea in Bulgaria to redevelop Sophie in Java! Astea (http://asteasolutions.com) are the nice guys that we trained and who then turned around, stating on their web site that they developed Sophie, took our Sophie documents and artwork for their proposal and managed to persuade Mellon to actually give them money... We moved the current Sophie project to http://opensophie.org, hoping to keep Sophie alive and making Sophie better than what they can come up with. And why I'm sending this to the Pharo list? Pharo already has so much promise as a base system, hopefully providing in the core already what we had to re-invent in Sophie because it didn't work in the main Squeak version. The Freetype stuff already turned out really well! Hopefully more to come. And once I finish these new etoys installers I can do some Pharo work too, hopefully ;-) Michael

Sept. 23, 2008