Dear guys who use Pillar. Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features. Happy Easter! Uko P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
What does it do? Norbert
Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
Sent from my iPhone
On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
What does it do?
For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future Uko
Norbert
Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
re: textmite Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text editing/formatting widget? Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. complex telco routing app ? Check. multi-dim data visualization app ? Check. real-time high-speed robotic arm/articulated-joint controller app ? Check. Can anything be learned from the successes/issues of the Sciter editor/component project ? ( was just remembering when the Norton Programmer Editor came WITH the assembler code ) Is there an open source Objective-C variant of a decent Mac editor ? ( as TextMate is SOooo far from being cross-platform, right ? ) It is not enough for an editor to "consume" TextMate templates, is it ? ( an analogy that likely would not be irritating to others escapes me at the moment ... ) Are constraints behavior what makes good editors so difficult to maintain ? ( assuming elegant/extensible constraints modelling and resolution IS the app challenge for text formatting for WYSIWYG approvals ) Is there now a constraint resolution module callable from a Smalltalk dialect ? I am using a graphical programming language that has 2 approaches to constraints for text layout : one you get to tinker about in an API, one you get to request layout for text/font/font_attribs and you accept the results ( the Alan Knight O-O no-internals-SVP version ? ) A pythonic quasi-logic language with minimalist constraints for Unicode text is under development in UK ; I am alpha testing one such non-graphical prgrm'g lang for Unicode text-only from USA, but it is NOT cross platform oddly enough; Logtalk + swi-prolog also has constraints handling ; typed-Prolog AKA Mercury gen's C or Erlang ; Oz has gone quiet since 1.4 and Lively Kernel ? I have lost track of Croquet. User-friendly Scheme is now called Racket, btw. And "Claire", the lang ? Alice ? [ by way of explanation : this Monday is a bank-holiday here, but the nearest beaches have ice piled on them and its some other holiday in USA ; now for morning java ( as in coffee ) ] Isn't "brackets" some editor project ? On 21 April 2014 07:25, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
What does it do?
For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future
Uko
Norbert
Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate.
You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but
itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
As you are replying to my email I guess you have some feedback or request about my bundle. Honestly I havenât understood a thing after reading your reply once. Iâll try to read it more times later. Cheers Uko On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:06, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com> wrote:
re: textmite
Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text editing/formatting widget?
Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. complex telco routing app ? Check. multi-dim data visualization app ? Check. real-time high-speed robotic arm/articulated-joint controller app ? Check.
Can anything be learned from the successes/issues of the Sciter editor/component project ?
( was just remembering when the Norton Programmer Editor came WITH the assembler code )
Is there an open source Objective-C variant of a decent Mac editor ?
( as TextMate is SOooo far from being cross-platform, right ? )
It is not enough for an editor to "consume" TextMate templates, is it ? ( an analogy that likely would not be irritating to others escapes me at the moment ... )
Are constraints behavior what makes good editors so difficult to maintain ? ( assuming elegant/extensible constraints modelling and resolution IS the app challenge for text formatting for WYSIWYG approvals )
Is there now a constraint resolution module callable from a Smalltalk dialect ?
I am using a graphical programming language that has 2 approaches to constraints for text layout : one you get to tinker about in an API, one you get to request layout for text/font/font_attribs and you accept the results ( the Alan Knight O-O no-internals-SVP version ? )
A pythonic quasi-logic language with minimalist constraints for Unicode text is under development in UK ; I am alpha testing one such non-graphical prgrm'g lang for Unicode text-only from USA, but it is NOT cross platform oddly enough; Logtalk + swi-prolog also has constraints handling ; typed-Prolog AKA Mercury gen's C or Erlang ; Oz has gone quiet since 1.4 and Lively Kernel ? I have lost track of Croquet. User-friendly Scheme is now called Racket, btw. And "Claire", the lang ? Alice ?
[ by way of explanation : this Monday is a bank-holiday here, but the nearest beaches have ice piled on them and its some other holiday in USA ; now for morning java ( as in coffee ) ] Isn't "brackets" some editor project ?
On 21 April 2014 07:25, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
What does it do?
For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future
Uko
Norbert
Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
we had developers wanting Mac's so that they could run TextMate. Rather like the Sales exec'son the other side of the building who wanted to keep their Blackberry after the acquisition ( in the mad-mad s/w world in North America, the developers will be forbidden Mac's but the marketing people will be using them.) It is probably me who doesn't understand why there is not yet a truly portable rich text editor for programmers ;-) ( no that plugin for eclipse was NOT what I had in mind. ) Because it does seem to me that every "and we have a TextMate plugin" is a symptom of a mild disorder rather than a nostrum ;-) On 21 April 2014 09:47, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
As you are replying to my email I guess you have some feedback or request about my bundle.
Honestly I havenât understood a thing after reading your reply once. Iâll try to read it more times later.
Cheers Uko
On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:06, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com> wrote:
re: textmite
Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text editing/formatting widget?
Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. complex telco routing app ? Check. multi-dim data visualization app ? Check. real-time high-speed robotic arm/articulated-joint controller app ? Check.
Can anything be learned from the successes/issues of the Sciter editor/component project ?
( was just remembering when the Norton Programmer Editor came WITH the assembler code )
Is there an open source Objective-C variant of a decent Mac editor ?
( as TextMate is SOooo far from being cross-platform, right ? )
It is not enough for an editor to "consume" TextMate templates, is it ? ( an analogy that likely would not be irritating to others escapes me at the moment ... )
Are constraints behavior what makes good editors so difficult to maintain ? ( assuming elegant/extensible constraints modelling and resolution IS the app challenge for text formatting for WYSIWYG approvals )
Is there now a constraint resolution module callable from a Smalltalk dialect ?
I am using a graphical programming language that has 2 approaches to constraints for text layout : one you get to tinker about in an API, one you get to request layout for text/font/font_attribs and you accept the results ( the Alan Knight O-O no-internals-SVP version ? )
A pythonic quasi-logic language with minimalist constraints for Unicode text is under development in UK ; I am alpha testing one such non-graphical prgrm'g lang for Unicode text-only from USA, but it is NOT cross platform oddly enough; Logtalk + swi-prolog also has constraints handling ; typed-Prolog AKA Mercury gen's C or Erlang ; Oz has gone quiet since 1.4 and Lively Kernel ? I have lost track of Croquet. User-friendly Scheme is now called Racket, btw. And "Claire", the lang ? Alice ?
[ by way of explanation : this Monday is a bank-holiday here, but the nearest beaches have ice piled on them and its some other holiday in USA ; now for morning java ( as in coffee ) ] Isn't "brackets" some editor project ?
On 21 April 2014 07:25, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
What does it do?
For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future
Uko
Norbert
Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate.
You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but
itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
Personaly I think that there should be a dedicated editor because text is a crap, but as I have to edit some text files I am using TextMate because it has syntax highlighting. I made a bundle for TextMate because I want to have syntax highlighting for Pillar. Thatâs it. Uko On 21 Apr 2014, at 16:07, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com> wrote:
we had developers wanting Mac's so that they could run TextMate. Rather like the Sales exec'son the other side of the building who wanted to keep their Blackberry after the acquisition ( in the mad-mad s/w world in North America, the developers will be forbidden Mac's but the marketing people will be using them.)
It is probably me who doesn't understand why there is not yet a truly portable rich text editor for programmers ;-) ( no that plugin for eclipse was NOT what I had in mind. )
Because it does seem to me that every "and we have a TextMate plugin" is a symptom of a mild disorder rather than a nostrum ;-)
On 21 April 2014 09:47, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote: As you are replying to my email I guess you have some feedback or request about my bundle.
Honestly I havenât understood a thing after reading your reply once. Iâll try to read it more times later.
Cheers Uko
On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:06, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com> wrote:
re: textmite
Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text editing/formatting widget?
Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. complex telco routing app ? Check. multi-dim data visualization app ? Check. real-time high-speed robotic arm/articulated-joint controller app ? Check.
Can anything be learned from the successes/issues of the Sciter editor/component project ?
( was just remembering when the Norton Programmer Editor came WITH the assembler code )
Is there an open source Objective-C variant of a decent Mac editor ?
( as TextMate is SOooo far from being cross-platform, right ? )
It is not enough for an editor to "consume" TextMate templates, is it ? ( an analogy that likely would not be irritating to others escapes me at the moment ... )
Are constraints behavior what makes good editors so difficult to maintain ? ( assuming elegant/extensible constraints modelling and resolution IS the app challenge for text formatting for WYSIWYG approvals )
Is there now a constraint resolution module callable from a Smalltalk dialect ?
I am using a graphical programming language that has 2 approaches to constraints for text layout : one you get to tinker about in an API, one you get to request layout for text/font/font_attribs and you accept the results ( the Alan Knight O-O no-internals-SVP version ? )
A pythonic quasi-logic language with minimalist constraints for Unicode text is under development in UK ; I am alpha testing one such non-graphical prgrm'g lang for Unicode text-only from USA, but it is NOT cross platform oddly enough; Logtalk + swi-prolog also has constraints handling ; typed-Prolog AKA Mercury gen's C or Erlang ; Oz has gone quiet since 1.4 and Lively Kernel ? I have lost track of Croquet. User-friendly Scheme is now called Racket, btw. And "Claire", the lang ? Alice ?
[ by way of explanation : this Monday is a bank-holiday here, but the nearest beaches have ice piled on them and its some other holiday in USA ; now for morning java ( as in coffee ) ] Isn't "brackets" some editor project ?
On 21 April 2014 07:25, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
What does it do?
For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future
Uko
Norbert
Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
Hi Robert, you are right, sadly TextMate is not portable but I am using it too. you may want to use portable alternatives: - http://www.sublimetext.com/ (can use TextMate's bundles) - http://www.ultraedit.com/ - and others In the Smalltalk work, I have to admit that we are not there yet but we already saw great demos on TextEditors @ ESUG in different flavors: VW, VisualAge, Pharo, ... In Pharo I remember Alain's work on Rubrik: http://vimeo.com/67400546 http://vimeo.com/67516363 #Luc 2014-04-21 15:07 GMT+02:00 Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com>:
we had developers wanting Mac's so that they could run TextMate. Rather like the Sales exec'son the other side of the building who wanted to keep their Blackberry after the acquisition ( in the mad-mad s/w world in North America, the developers will be forbidden Mac's but the marketing people will be using them.)
It is probably me who doesn't understand why there is not yet a truly portable rich text editor for programmers ;-) ( no that plugin for eclipse was NOT what I had in mind. )
Because it does seem to me that every "and we have a TextMate plugin" is a symptom of a mild disorder rather than a nostrum ;-)
On 21 April 2014 09:47, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
As you are replying to my email I guess you have some feedback or request about my bundle.
Honestly I havenât understood a thing after reading your reply once. Iâll try to read it more times later.
Cheers Uko
On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:06, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com> wrote:
re: textmite
Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text editing/formatting widget?
Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. complex telco routing app ? Check. multi-dim data visualization app ? Check. real-time high-speed robotic arm/articulated-joint controller app ? Check.
Can anything be learned from the successes/issues of the Sciter editor/component project ?
( was just remembering when the Norton Programmer Editor came WITH the assembler code )
Is there an open source Objective-C variant of a decent Mac editor ?
( as TextMate is SOooo far from being cross-platform, right ? )
It is not enough for an editor to "consume" TextMate templates, is it ? ( an analogy that likely would not be irritating to others escapes me at the moment ... )
Are constraints behavior what makes good editors so difficult to maintain ? ( assuming elegant/extensible constraints modelling and resolution IS the app challenge for text formatting for WYSIWYG approvals )
Is there now a constraint resolution module callable from a Smalltalk dialect ?
I am using a graphical programming language that has 2 approaches to constraints for text layout : one you get to tinker about in an API, one you get to request layout for text/font/font_attribs and you accept the results ( the Alan Knight O-O no-internals-SVP version ? )
A pythonic quasi-logic language with minimalist constraints for Unicode text is under development in UK ; I am alpha testing one such non-graphical prgrm'g lang for Unicode text-only from USA, but it is NOT cross platform oddly enough; Logtalk + swi-prolog also has constraints handling ; typed-Prolog AKA Mercury gen's C or Erlang ; Oz has gone quiet since 1.4 and Lively Kernel ? I have lost track of Croquet. User-friendly Scheme is now called Racket, btw. And "Claire", the lang ? Alice ?
[ by way of explanation : this Monday is a bank-holiday here, but the nearest beaches have ice piled on them and its some other holiday in USA ; now for morning java ( as in coffee ) ] Isn't "brackets" some editor project ?
On 21 April 2014 07:25, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
What does it do?
For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future
Uko
Norbert
Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate.
You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but
itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
I dont get what you are implying . There is tons of cross platform text editors , my favorite being emacs , vim being extremely capable too. I have no serious experience with Textmate but looks very capable too. I have used emacs on windows XP, windows 7 , macos 10.4 , macos 10.7 , macos 10.9, ubuntu 12 and ubuntu 13. I had zero issues with it and its insanely powerful. I am a huge fan of it. I see also nothing wrong with supporting third party tools like Textmate, the more the better. I love flexibility. Great work guys. On 4/21/14, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com> wrote:
we had developers wanting Mac's so that they could run TextMate. Rather like the Sales exec'son the other side of the building who wanted to keep their Blackberry after the acquisition ( in the mad-mad s/w world in North America, the developers will be forbidden Mac's but the marketing people will be using them.)
It is probably me who doesn't understand why there is not yet a truly portable rich text editor for programmers ;-) ( no that plugin for eclipse was NOT what I had in mind. )
Because it does seem to me that every "and we have a TextMate plugin" is a symptom of a mild disorder rather than a nostrum ;-)
On 21 April 2014 09:47, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
As you are replying to my email I guess you have some feedback or request about my bundle.
Honestly I havenât understood a thing after reading your reply once. Iâll try to read it more times later.
Cheers Uko
On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:06, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com> wrote:
re: textmite
Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text editing/formatting widget?
Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. complex telco routing app ? Check. multi-dim data visualization app ? Check. real-time high-speed robotic arm/articulated-joint controller app ? Check.
Can anything be learned from the successes/issues of the Sciter editor/component project ?
( was just remembering when the Norton Programmer Editor came WITH the assembler code )
Is there an open source Objective-C variant of a decent Mac editor ?
( as TextMate is SOooo far from being cross-platform, right ? )
It is not enough for an editor to "consume" TextMate templates, is it ? ( an analogy that likely would not be irritating to others escapes me at the moment ... )
Are constraints behavior what makes good editors so difficult to maintain ? ( assuming elegant/extensible constraints modelling and resolution IS the app challenge for text formatting for WYSIWYG approvals )
Is there now a constraint resolution module callable from a Smalltalk dialect ?
I am using a graphical programming language that has 2 approaches to constraints for text layout : one you get to tinker about in an API, one you get to request layout for text/font/font_attribs and you accept the results ( the Alan Knight O-O no-internals-SVP version ? )
A pythonic quasi-logic language with minimalist constraints for Unicode text is under development in UK ; I am alpha testing one such non-graphical prgrm'g lang for Unicode text-only from USA, but it is NOT cross platform oddly enough; Logtalk + swi-prolog also has constraints handling ; typed-Prolog AKA Mercury gen's C or Erlang ; Oz has gone quiet since 1.4 and Lively Kernel ? I have lost track of Croquet. User-friendly Scheme is now called Racket, btw. And "Claire", the lang ? Alice ?
[ by way of explanation : this Monday is a bank-holiday here, but the nearest beaches have ice piled on them and its some other holiday in USA ; now for morning java ( as in coffee ) ] Isn't "brackets" some editor project ?
On 21 April 2014 07:25, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
What does it do?
For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future
Uko
Norbert
Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate.
You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but
itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
Well said +1 On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:31, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont get what you are implying . There is tons of cross platform text editors , my favorite being emacs , vim being extremely capable too.
I have no serious experience with Textmate but looks very capable too.
I have used emacs on windows XP, windows 7 , macos 10.4 , macos 10.7 , macos 10.9, ubuntu 12 and ubuntu 13. I had zero issues with it and its insanely powerful. I am a huge fan of it.
I see also nothing wrong with supporting third party tools like Textmate, the more the better. I love flexibility.
Great work guys.
ah, emacs. end of conversation, from the friendly editor. And likely the end of Mozart Oz, only they just can't believe it. Emacs, version 25 on the way to 125. Oz. Version 1.4 and on the way to nowhere, but at least it got there via emacs [ enough said.] ( I remember the senseless attacks on Visual Prolog as Turbo Prolog, on bytecode ( before Java ), DASD in favour of RAM above 640k ... ) If ever a tool set back the development of IDE's before ( gag ) IBM WorkBench/eclipse, it was surely emacs. But then again, someone will link eclipse to the VA Smalltalk team at *IBM*... ( eclipse has almost shuttered the Curl IDE at www.curl.com and www.curlap.com - to my amazement. Only IDE to rival Smalltalk. Pooof ! And with pluggable editors and the code in the package.) To really see the state of editors as components, just try writing tests and docs in Japanese for a week for the programming paradigm of your choice. Yes, time to configure an editor for Japanese is not included,as that would be unfair. ( painful reminder : even Kobo, the e-reader, is lame compared to Amazon Kindle, as a Japanese reader. And the Sony e-reader is gone. And that is just mere Japanese text display without annotation, let alone editing for development. But Apple fans far out-number emacs advocates, don't they? ;-) Pharo 3 for coding in Japanese is now the best IDE of which I am aware. And it is a great pleasure to see that. My thanks to everyone who helped bring Unicode to Pharo and Pharo to Unicode fonts. And there is still no IDE for swi-prolog. Because Logtalk + SWI wouldn't benefir from an IDE, would it. At least not in my lifetime ( Prolog development maps to my life from post-college to retirement thus far, with the earliest steps taken while I was in high school. A close match to Smalltalk, in that one idiosyncratic regard.) :-) On 21 April 2014 11:57, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Well said
+1
On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:31, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont get what you are implying . There is tons of cross platform text editors , my favorite being emacs , vim being extremely capable too.
I have no serious experience with Textmate but looks very capable too.
I have used emacs on windows XP, windows 7 , macos 10.4 , macos 10.7 , macos 10.9, ubuntu 12 and ubuntu 13. I had zero issues with it and its insanely powerful. I am a huge fan of it.
I see also nothing wrong with supporting third party tools like Textmate, the more the better. I love flexibility.
Great work guys.
On 22 Apr 2014, at 12:02, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com> wrote:
Pharo 3 for coding in Japanese is now the best IDE of which I am aware. And it is a great pleasure to see that.
My thanks to everyone who helped bring Unicode to Pharo and Pharo to Unicode fonts.
That is good to hear, Robert. Maybe you should write something about that (with some cool screenshots). It is hard for us to even imagine how all this would work since we don't speak/read/write Japanese. Thx, Sven
2014-04-22 11:02 GMT+01:00 Robert Shiplett <grshiplett@gmail.com>:
ah, emacs. end of conversation, from the friendly editor. And likely the end of Mozart Oz, only they just can't believe it. Emacs, version 25 on the way to 125. Oz. Version 1.4 and on the way to nowhere, but at least it got there via emacs [ enough said.]
( I remember the senseless attacks on Visual Prolog as Turbo Prolog, on bytecode ( before Java ), DASD in favour of RAM above 640k ... )
If ever a tool set back the development of IDE's before ( gag ) IBM WorkBench/eclipse, it was surely emacs.
But then again, someone will link eclipse to the VA Smalltalk team at *IBM* ... ( eclipse has almost shuttered the Curl IDE at www.curl.com and www.curlap.com - to my amazement. Only IDE to rival Smalltalk. Pooof ! And with pluggable editors and the code in the package.)
To really see the state of editors as components, just try writing tests and docs in Japanese for a week for the programming paradigm of your choice. Yes, time to configure an editor for Japanese is not included,as that would be unfair.
( painful reminder : even Kobo, the e-reader, is lame compared to Amazon Kindle, as a Japanese reader. And the Sony e-reader is gone. And that is just mere Japanese text display without annotation, let alone editing for development. But Apple fans far out-number emacs advocates, don't they? ;-)
Pharo 3 for coding in Japanese is now the best IDE of which I am aware. And it is a great pleasure to see that.
My thanks to everyone who helped bring Unicode to Pharo and Pharo to Unicode fonts.
And there is still no IDE for swi-prolog. Because Logtalk + SWI wouldn't benefir from an IDE, would it. At least not in my lifetime ( Prolog development maps to my life from post-college to retirement thus far, with the earliest steps taken while I was in high school. A close match to Smalltalk, in that one idiosyncratic regard.)
:-)
Um... this is all very interesting, and pretty unrelated to the topic. Back in the Fidonet days we used to yell at each other for changing the topic of a conversation without changing the subject line :P Cheers, Sergi
Yuriy Great! Thanks. This is great news! I use TextMate a lot for editing Pillar files. best Nacho *Lic. Ignacio Sniechowski, MBA* On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
Cool :) I will definitely have a look :) Ben On 20 Apr 2014, at 08:35, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Dear guys who use Pillar.
Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features.
Happy Easter! Uko
P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
I'm happy to announce that I've created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also I've exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but it's crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
great job Yuriy, thanks. I referenced both from https://github.com/DamienCassou/pillar-documentation -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
On 22 Apr 2014, at 15:08, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
I'm happy to announce that I've created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle
Also I've exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but it's crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar
great job Yuriy, thanks. I referenced both from https://github.com/DamienCassou/pillar-documentation
Thank you, Damien
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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Sven Van Caekenberghe -
Yuriy Tymchuk