ah, emacs.�� end of conversation, from the friendly editor.�� And likely the end of Mozart Oz, only they just can't believe it.
Emacs, version 25 on the way to 125. Oz. Version 1.4 and on the way to nowhere, but at least it got there via emacs [ enough said.]

( I remember the senseless attacks on Visual Prolog as Turbo Prolog, on bytecode ( before Java ), DASD in favour of RAM above 640k ... )

If ever a tool set back the development of IDE's before ( gag ) IBM WorkBench/eclipse, it was surely emacs.

But then again, someone will link eclipse to the VA Smalltalk team at IBM ... ( eclipse has almost shuttered the Curl IDE at www.curl.com and www.curlap.com - to my amazement. Only IDE to rival Smalltalk. Pooof ! And with pluggable editors and the code in the package.)

To really see the state of editors as components, just try writing tests and docs in Japanese for a week for the programming paradigm of your choice.�� Yes, time to configure an editor for Japanese is not included,as that would be unfair.

( painful reminder : even Kobo, the e-reader, is lame compared to Amazon Kindle, as a Japanese reader. And the Sony e-reader is gone.�� And that is just mere Japanese text display without annotation, let alone editing for development.�� But Apple fans far out-number emacs advocates, don't they?�� ;-)

Pharo 3 for coding in Japanese is now the best IDE of which I am aware.�� And it is a great pleasure to see that.

My thanks to everyone who helped bring Unicode to Pharo and Pharo to Unicode fonts.

And there is still no IDE for swi-prolog. Because Logtalk + SWI wouldn't benefir from an IDE, would it.�� At least not in my lifetime ( Prolog development maps to my life from post-college to retirement thus far, with the earliest steps taken while I was in high school.�� A close match to Smalltalk, in that one idiosyncratic regard.)

:-)






On 21 April 2014 11:57, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Well said

+1

On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:31, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:

> I dont get what you are implying . There is tons of cross platform
> text editors , my favorite being emacs , vim being extremely capable
> too.
>
> I have no serious experience with Textmate but looks very capable too.
>
> I have used emacs on windows XP, windows 7 , macos 10.4 , macos 10.7 ,
> macos 10.9, ubuntu 12 and ubuntu 13. I had zero issues with it and its
> insanely powerful. I am a huge fan of it.
>
> I see also nothing wrong with supporting third party tools like
> Textmate, the more the better. ��I love flexibility.
>
> Great work guys.