Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Mark Bestley <st@bestley.co.uk> wrote:
1) Setting of the default directories - these should be more Apple standard i.e. images not in preferences and even better in a Sandbox so eventually could be available via App Store which would increase the number of people who would see it. (I have use the settings to change the directory for me.)
I changed the default directories on all systems: - mac: ~/Library/Application Support/Pharo/images - win: %APPDATA%\Pharo\images - unix: ~/.local/share/Pharo/images And everyone can change these values to what they want like a dropbox folder (just go to the launcher settings, change the path, and save).
2) Dealing with saved images. If you do a save as.. the this new image does not show in the launcher. I think there are two ways of fixing this i) don't put images and source in sub directories ii) Make the save as in Pharo create a sub directory
agree. I think I will try another solution iii) when launching an image, if multiple ones are present, let the user select with a drop-down. These ways, the concept of a "launcher's image" can still be seen as a project whereas the .image files can be seen as versions of this project.
Point ii) leads onto making the save of an image save to an OSX bundle (i.e. a directory containing several files that OSX can see as one unit)
I don't understand that
3) The icons need to have more responsive pop-overs to explain what they do.(I almost wrote any pop-over but after a minute I can get them 30% of the time)
I don't understand that as well
4) For first time users I think the right pane needs a look at - users will not know which is the correct template to use. I would suggest making the Pharo latest stable a top level entry and highlighting that.
agree, I will fix that -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
On 27 Jan 2014, at 17:12, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Mark Bestley <st@bestley.co.uk> wrote:
1) Setting of the default directories - these should be more Apple standard i.e. images not in preferences and even better in a Sandbox so eventually could be available via App Store which would increase the number of people who would see it. (I have use the settings to change the directory for me.)
I changed the default directories on all systems:
- mac: ~/Library/Application Support/Pharo/images - win: %APPDATA%\Pharo\images - unix: ~/.local/share/Pharo/images
I already told you: I think this is conceptually wrong. Images has to go (by default) into "~/Documents/Pharo Images". (Same as VMWare virtual machines go into "~/Documents/Virtual Machines" and parallels into â~/Documents/Parallels" al the rest: +1 :) Esteban
And everyone can change these values to what they want like a dropbox folder (just go to the launcher settings, change the path, and save).
2) Dealing with saved images. If you do a save as.. the this new image does not show in the launcher. I think there are two ways of fixing this i) don't put images and source in sub directories ii) Make the save as in Pharo create a sub directory
agree. I think I will try another solution
iii) when launching an image, if multiple ones are present, let the user select with a drop-down. These ways, the concept of a "launcher's image" can still be seen as a project whereas the .image files can be seen as versions of this project.
Point ii) leads onto making the save of an image save to an OSX bundle (i.e. a directory containing several files that OSX can see as one unit)
I don't understand that
3) The icons need to have more responsive pop-overs to explain what they do.(I almost wrote any pop-over but after a minute I can get them 30% of the time)
I don't understand that as well
4) For first time users I think the right pane needs a look at - users will not know which is the correct template to use. I would suggest making the Pharo latest stable a top level entry and highlighting that.
agree, I will fix that
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
2014-01-27 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>
On 27 Jan 2014, at 17:12, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
I changed the default directories on all systems:
- mac: ~/Library/Application Support/Pharo/images - win: %APPDATA%\Pharo\images - unix: ~/.local/share/Pharo/images
I already told you: I think this is conceptually wrong. Images has to go (by default) into "~/Documents/Pharo Images". (Same as VMWare virtual machines go into "~/Documents/Virtual Machines" and parallels into â~/Documents/Parallels" al the rest: +1 :)
+1 on this. %APPDATA% is for data that the end user would never have to access directly. Remember that such dir is hidden. I remember this discussion in the Dolphin Smalltalk newsgroup almost a decade ago, when somebody asked why Dolphin installed the images in the "My Documents" folder. At that time Andy Bower pointed to a guideline doc with the proper reasons (which I happen to not remember). On the other hand, the executable was installed in the %ProgramFiles% directory, and some commons in the "%ProgramFiles%\Common Files", that were shared between different versions of Dolphin. Regards, Esteban.
On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
- mac: ~/Library/Application Support/Pharo/images - win: %APPDATA%\Pharo\images - unix: ~/.local/share/Pharo/images
I already told you: I think this is conceptually wrong. Images has to go (by default) into "~/Documents/Pharo Images". (Same as VMWare virtual machines go into "~/Documents/Virtual Machines" and parallels into â~/Documents/Parallels" al the rest: +1 :)
+1 on this.
+1 as well ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
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Damien Cassou -
Esteban A. Maringolo -
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Johan Fabry