I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects. Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly. Did it the TDD way with Pharo. Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules... 64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too. Phil
Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo 2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>:
I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects.
Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly.
Did it the TDD way with Pharo.
Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules...
64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too.
Phil
LXC/LXD containers are much nicer, IMHO, as they look and feel like a regular VM, yet are way more efficient.
On 30 Nov 2015, at 21:43, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo
2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>:
I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects.
Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly.
Did it the TDD way with Pharo.
Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules...
64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too.
Phil
true. We use them a lot +1 Norbert
Am 30.11.2015 um 21:48 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
LXC/LXD containers are much nicer, IMHO, as they look and feel like a regular VM, yet are way more efficient.
On 30 Nov 2015, at 21:43, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo
2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>:
I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects.
Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly.
Did it the TDD way with Pharo.
Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules...
64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too.
Phil
On 30 Nov 2015, at 22:08, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
true. We use them a lot
Good to know, we're currently deploying an upgrade to our server park, all new machines (32 cores, 96 Gb RAM each) will be running many LXC/LXD instances, probably using ZFS for their storage. The networking was the biggest challenge, but I think we got that covered. In any case, Pharo ran perfectly on them (either 32 or 64 bit) ! If we get stuck on something, I will know who I can beg for help ;-)
+1
Norbert
Am 30.11.2015 um 21:48 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
LXC/LXD containers are much nicer, IMHO, as they look and feel like a regular VM, yet are way more efficient.
On 30 Nov 2015, at 21:43, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo
2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>:
I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects.
Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly.
Did it the TDD way with Pharo.
Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules...
64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too.
Phil
:) Well, looking at all the isolation containers I still have doubts that isolation is working as expected. There are many influences that make containers less independent. Prominent candidate is (as always) I/O that has the ability to slow down everything. But let's talk! I always appreciate exchanging thoughts ans experiences with you :) Norbert
Am 30.11.2015 um 22:28 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
On 30 Nov 2015, at 22:08, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
true. We use them a lot
Good to know, we're currently deploying an upgrade to our server park, all new machines (32 cores, 96 Gb RAM each) will be running many LXC/LXD instances, probably using ZFS for their storage. The networking was the biggest challenge, but I think we got that covered. In any case, Pharo ran perfectly on them (either 32 or 64 bit) !
If we get stuck on something, I will know who I can beg for help ;-)
+1
Norbert
Am 30.11.2015 um 21:48 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
LXC/LXD containers are much nicer, IMHO, as they look and feel like a regular VM, yet are way more efficient.
On 30 Nov 2015, at 21:43, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo
2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>:
I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects.
Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly.
Did it the TDD way with Pharo.
Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules...
64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too.
Phil
Yes but are they working as nicely on Macs and Win boxes running Dockermachine? Phil On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
LXC/LXD containers are much nicer, IMHO, as they look and feel like a regular VM, yet are way more efficient.
On 30 Nov 2015, at 21:43, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo
2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>:
I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects.
Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly.
Did it the TDD way with Pharo.
Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules...
64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too.
Phil
Sure but the deployment issue is orchestration. The distribution of functionality works along the available resources. The example machine Sven mentioned (32 cores, 96 MB) is worth nothing if you have a lot of instances and spindle hard discs. It is an act of finding the balance that uses the maximum of all resources. You just need to decrease the role of the weakest link. Modern containers are just about making it comfortable but not solving the "real" problems. My 2 cents, Norbert
Am 30.11.2015 um 22:52 schrieb "phil@highoctane.be" <phil@highoctane.be>:
Yes but are they working as nicely on Macs and Win boxes running Dockermachine?
Phil
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote: LXC/LXD containers are much nicer, IMHO, as they look and feel like a regular VM, yet are way more efficient.
On 30 Nov 2015, at 21:43, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo
2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>:
I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects.
Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly.
Did it the TDD way with Pharo.
Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules...
64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too.
Phil
https://github.com/Geal/pharo-seaside-docker-example https://www.clever-cloud.com/blog/guests/2015/01/05/smalltalk-in-the-cloud/ Phil On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo
2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>:
I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects.
Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly.
Did it the TDD way with Pharo.
Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules...
64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too.
Phil
cool :) but those scripts can be easily improved: Gofer it url: âfiletree:///home/deployâ; package: âWebCounterâ; package: âHelloWorldAppâ; load. stdout << 'WebCounter installed'; lf. ZnZincServerAdaptor startOn: 8080. WAAdmin register: WebCounter asApplicationAt: 'webcounterâ. (looks a lot easier to understand :P) cheers, Esteban
On 30 Nov 2015, at 22:51, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
https://github.com/Geal/pharo-seaside-docker-example https://www.clever-cloud.com/blog/guests/2015/01/05/smalltalk-in-the-cloud/
Phil
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote: Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo
2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>:
I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects.
Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly.
Did it the TDD way with Pharo.
Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules...
64-bit Linux compatibility would really help these days. But stuffing Pharo and 32 bit on a docker container works nicely too.
Phil
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