Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please? David
Hi David, I do not own a M1 macBook but I read on discord that people are successfully using it. You might to take a look at : https://thepharo.dev/2021/02/16/first-apple-m1-pharo-version/ I think that you can download the last version here (instead ot the one given in the link above) : http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur64-headless/Darwin-arm64/ I'm afraid you'll need to find a M1 user if these links do not help you (come on discord <https://discord.gg/QewZMZa> to find some) Cheers, Harald Le mer. 19 mai 2021 à 01:54, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> a écrit :
Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please?
David
Hi David, for M1 we have Pharo 9 compatible VMs, you can download them using Zero Conf or directly. For the latest: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip For the stable: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vm90 | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip If you are scripting the download I recommend using ZeroConf. For Pharo 8, we don't have a M1 native version, because Pharo 8 requires changes in the image to support the newer VMs. We have plans to backport the changes in the future, now we are putting all efforts in the release of Pharo 9. However, if the community consider it, we can switch priorities but it is not magical; we will need to leave something aside. Also, future versions of the Pharo Launcher will have support for detecting the architecture. In the meantime, Pharo 8 / 9 can be used without a problem with Rossetta, although the performance is not ideal. Tell me if you have any problem. Cheers, Pablo On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please?
David
-- Pablo Tesone. tesonep@gmail.com
I am sorry but, being a newbie to Pharo, a lot of what you say goes over my head. How do I use Zero Conf? I have loaded up the latest 9.0 from Pharo launcher. How do I get the <1 VM for that? Sorry for being stupid. David P.S. 31 years a Smalltalker so its just the underlying bits that pass over me - smile.
On 19 May 2021, at 08:38, tesonep@gmail.com wrote:
Hi David,
for M1 we have Pharo 9 compatible VMs, you can download them using Zero Conf or directly.
For the latest: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 <https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90> | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip>
For the stable: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vm90 <https://get.pharo.org/vm90> | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip>
If you are scripting the download I recommend using ZeroConf.
For Pharo 8, we don't have a M1 native version, because Pharo 8 requires changes in the image to support the newer VMs. We have plans to backport the changes in the future, now we are putting all efforts in the release of Pharo 9. However, if the community consider it, we can switch priorities but it is not magical; we will need to leave something aside. Also, future versions of the Pharo Launcher will have support for detecting the architecture.
In the meantime, Pharo 8 / 9 can be used without a problem with Rossetta, although the performance is not ideal.
Tell me if you have any problem. Cheers, Pablo
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please?
David
-- Pablo Tesone. tesonep@gmail.com <mailto:tesonep@gmail.com>
you execute on a unix shell wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 <https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90> | bash S
On 21 May 2021, at 13:16, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
I am sorry but, being a newbie to Pharo, a lot of what you say goes over my head.
How do I use Zero Conf?
I have loaded up the latest 9.0 from Pharo launcher. How do I get the <1 VM for that?
Sorry for being stupid.
David P.S. 31 years a Smalltalker so its just the underlying bits that pass over me - smile.
On 19 May 2021, at 08:38, tesonep@gmail.com <mailto:tesonep@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi David,
for M1 we have Pharo 9 compatible VMs, you can download them using Zero Conf or directly.
For the latest: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 <https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90> | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip>
For the stable: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vm90 <https://get.pharo.org/vm90> | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip>
If you are scripting the download I recommend using ZeroConf.
For Pharo 8, we don't have a M1 native version, because Pharo 8 requires changes in the image to support the newer VMs. We have plans to backport the changes in the future, now we are putting all efforts in the release of Pharo 9. However, if the community consider it, we can switch priorities but it is not magical; we will need to leave something aside. Also, future versions of the Pharo Launcher will have support for detecting the architecture.
In the meantime, Pharo 8 / 9 can be used without a problem with Rossetta, although the performance is not ideal.
Tell me if you have any problem. Cheers, Pablo
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please?
David
-- Pablo Tesone. tesonep@gmail.com <mailto:tesonep@gmail.com>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
This is a bit like pulling teeth. I have done what you said. I now have the following in Terminal davidpennington@Davids-Air ~ % wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash --2021-05-21 15:24:47-- https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 Resolving get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)... 2001:41d0:301::23, 164.132.235.17 Connecting to get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)|2001:41d0:301::23|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 5177 (5.1K) Saving to: âSTDOUTâ - 100%[===================>] 5.06K --.-KB/s in 0s 2021-05-21 15:24:47 (823 MB/s) - written to stdout [5177/5177] Downloading the latest pharoVM: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui Where do I go next?
On 21 May 2021, at 12:31, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
you execute on a unix shell
wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 <https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90> | bash
S
On 21 May 2021, at 13:16, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
I am sorry but, being a newbie to Pharo, a lot of what you say goes over my head.
How do I use Zero Conf?
I have loaded up the latest 9.0 from Pharo launcher. How do I get the <1 VM for that?
Sorry for being stupid.
David P.S. 31 years a Smalltalker so its just the underlying bits that pass over me - smile.
On 19 May 2021, at 08:38, tesonep@gmail.com <mailto:tesonep@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi David,
for M1 we have Pharo 9 compatible VMs, you can download them using Zero Conf or directly.
For the latest: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 <https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90> | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip>
For the stable: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vm90 <https://get.pharo.org/vm90> | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip>
If you are scripting the download I recommend using ZeroConf.
For Pharo 8, we don't have a M1 native version, because Pharo 8 requires changes in the image to support the newer VMs. We have plans to backport the changes in the future, now we are putting all efforts in the release of Pharo 9. However, if the community consider it, we can switch priorities but it is not magical; we will need to leave something aside. Also, future versions of the Pharo Launcher will have support for detecting the architecture.
In the meantime, Pharo 8 / 9 can be used without a problem with Rossetta, although the performance is not ideal.
Tell me if you have any problem. Cheers, Pablo
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please?
David
-- Pablo Tesone. tesonep@gmail.com <mailto:tesonep@gmail.com>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
You start an image by typing the following in the Terminal ./pharo-ui Pharo.image
On 21 May 2021, at 16:31, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
This is a bit like pulling teeth.
I have done what you said. I now have the following in Terminal
davidpennington@Davids-Air ~ % wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash --2021-05-21 15:24:47-- https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 Resolving get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)... 2001:41d0:301::23, 164.132.235.17 Connecting to get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)|2001:41d0:301::23|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 5177 (5.1K) Saving to: âSTDOUTâ
- 100%[===================>] 5.06K --.-KB/s in 0s
2021-05-21 15:24:47 (823 MB/s) - written to stdout [5177/5177]
Downloading the latest pharoVM: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui
Where do I go next?
On 21 May 2021, at 12:31, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
you execute on a unix shell
wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash
S
On 21 May 2021, at 13:16, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
I am sorry but, being a newbie to Pharo, a lot of what you say goes over my head.
How do I use Zero Conf?
I have loaded up the latest 9.0 from Pharo launcher. How do I get the <1 VM for that?
Sorry for being stupid.
David P.S. 31 years a Smalltalker so its just the underlying bits that pass over me - smile.
On 19 May 2021, at 08:38, tesonep@gmail.com wrote:
Hi David,
for M1 we have Pharo 9 compatible VMs, you can download them using Zero Conf or directly.
For the latest: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip
For the stable: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vm90 | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip
If you are scripting the download I recommend using ZeroConf.
For Pharo 8, we don't have a M1 native version, because Pharo 8 requires changes in the image to support the newer VMs. We have plans to backport the changes in the future, now we are putting all efforts in the release of Pharo 9. However, if the community consider it, we can switch priorities but it is not magical; we will need to leave something aside. Also, future versions of the Pharo Launcher will have support for detecting the architecture.
In the meantime, Pharo 8 / 9 can be used without a problem with Rossetta, although the performance is not ideal.
Tell me if you have any problem. Cheers, Pablo
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote: Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please?
David
-- Pablo Tesone. tesonep@gmail.com
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
Here is a crop from my Terminal app. As you can see it has an error. Sorry to keep bothering you but what next please? David
On 21 May 2021, at 17:01, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
You start an image by typing the following in the Terminal
./pharo-ui Pharo.image
On 21 May 2021, at 16:31, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
This is a bit like pulling teeth.
I have done what you said. I now have the following in Terminal
davidpennington@Davids-Air ~ % wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash --2021-05-21 15:24:47-- https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 Resolving get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)... 2001:41d0:301::23, 164.132.235.17 Connecting to get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)|2001:41d0:301::23|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 5177 (5.1K) Saving to: âSTDOUTâ
- 100%[===================>] 5.06K --.-KB/s in 0s
2021-05-21 15:24:47 (823 MB/s) - written to stdout [5177/5177]
Downloading the latest pharoVM: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui
Where do I go next?
On 21 May 2021, at 12:31, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
you execute on a unix shell
wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash
S
On 21 May 2021, at 13:16, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
I am sorry but, being a newbie to Pharo, a lot of what you say goes over my head.
How do I use Zero Conf?
I have loaded up the latest 9.0 from Pharo launcher. How do I get the <1 VM for that?
Sorry for being stupid.
David P.S. 31 years a Smalltalker so its just the underlying bits that pass over me - smile.
On 19 May 2021, at 08:38, tesonep@gmail.com wrote:
Hi David,
for M1 we have Pharo 9 compatible VMs, you can download them using Zero Conf or directly.
For the latest: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip
For the stable: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vm90 | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip
If you are scripting the download I recommend using ZeroConf.
For Pharo 8, we don't have a M1 native version, because Pharo 8 requires changes in the image to support the newer VMs. We have plans to backport the changes in the future, now we are putting all efforts in the release of Pharo 9. However, if the community consider it, we can switch priorities but it is not magical; we will need to leave something aside. Also, future versions of the Pharo Launcher will have support for detecting the architecture.
In the meantime, Pharo 8 / 9 can be used without a problem with Rossetta, although the performance is not ideal.
Tell me if you have any problem. Cheers, Pablo
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote: Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please?
David
-- Pablo Tesone. tesonep@gmail.com
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
David with the script Stef showed you just downloaded the VM. If you want to download the image also you can use https://get.pharo.org/90+vmLatest . By the way, going to http://get.pharo.org/ you will get a complete list of the available options. On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
Here is a crop from my Terminal app.
As you can see it has an error. Sorry to keep bothering you but what next please? David
On 21 May 2021, at 17:01, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
You start an image by typing the following in the Terminal
./pharo-ui Pharo.image
On 21 May 2021, at 16:31, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
This is a bit like pulling teeth.
I have done what you said. I now have the following in Terminal
davidpennington@Davids-Air ~ % wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash --2021-05-21 15:24:47-- https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 Resolving get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)... 2001:41d0:301::23, 164.132.235.17 Connecting to get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)|2001:41d0:301::23|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 5177 (5.1K) Saving to: âSTDOUTâ
- 100%[===================>] 5.06K --.-KB/s in 0s
2021-05-21 15:24:47 (823 MB/s) - written to stdout [5177/5177]
Downloading the latest pharoVM: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui
Where do I go next?
On 21 May 2021, at 12:31, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
you execute on a unix shell
wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash
S
On 21 May 2021, at 13:16, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
I am sorry but, being a newbie to Pharo, a lot of what you say goes over my head.
How do I use Zero Conf?
I have loaded up the latest 9.0 from Pharo launcher. How do I get the <1 VM for that?
Sorry for being stupid.
David P.S. 31 years a Smalltalker so its just the underlying bits that pass over me - smile.
On 19 May 2021, at 08:38, tesonep@gmail.com wrote:
Hi David,
for M1 we have Pharo 9 compatible VMs, you can download them using Zero Conf or directly.
For the latest: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip
For the stable: - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vm90 | bash - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip
If you are scripting the download I recommend using ZeroConf.
For Pharo 8, we don't have a M1 native version, because Pharo 8 requires changes in the image to support the newer VMs. We have plans to backport the changes in the future, now we are putting all efforts in the release of Pharo 9. However, if the community consider it, we can switch priorities but it is not magical; we will need to leave something aside. Also, future versions of the Pharo Launcher will have support for detecting the architecture.
In the meantime, Pharo 8 / 9 can be used without a problem with Rossetta, although the performance is not ideal.
Tell me if you have any problem. Cheers, Pablo
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote: Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please?
David
-- Pablo Tesone. tesonep@gmail.com
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
David There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. S.
On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
<pharo.png>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. S.
On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com wrote:
Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?
Sent from my Huawei tablet
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Any question about pharo is welcome CC:
David
There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.
S.
On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
<pharo.png>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió:
is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.
S.
On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com wrote:
Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?
Sent from my Huawei tablet
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Any question about pharo is welcome CC:
David
There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.
S.
On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
<pharo.png>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous. I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference. Version 8.0 Version 9.0 So V 9 is different from V 8.0 Is there a fix for this? David
On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote:
Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.
El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.
S.
On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?
Sent from my Huawei tablet
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Any question about pharo is welcome CC:
David
There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.
S.
On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
<pharo.png>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.
good to know. Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.
I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.
I do not get what is the error. Do you have a script to reproduce it. We can only fix what we can reproduce. S.
Version 8.0 <v8.0.png>
Version 9.0
<v9.0.png>
So V 9 is different from V 8.0
Is there a fix for this?
David
On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote:
Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.
El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.
S.
On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?
Sent from my Huawei tablet
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Any question about pharo is welcome CC:
David
There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.
S.
On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
<pharo.png>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
Sorry yes, I gave you the screen shots without the code. In V 9.0 if I execute the following | working stream | working := FileSystem disk workingDirectory I get an Inspector on /Users/davidpennington. (Not a File~Reference) In V 8.0 I get an Inspector on a FileReference (/Users/davidpennington/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit (stable)). As my database relies on disk paths, this is going to create a difference between the two versions which surely should not be so.
On 24 May 2021, at 16:38, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.
good to know. Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.
I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.
I do not get what is the error. Do you have a script to reproduce it. We can only fix what we can reproduce.
S.
Version 8.0 <v8.0.png>
Version 9.0
<v9.0.png>
So V 9 is different from V 8.0
Is there a fix for this?
David
On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote:
Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.
El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.
S.
On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?
Sent from my Huawei tablet
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Any question about pharo is welcome CC:
David
There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.
S.
On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
<pharo.png>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
Look carefully, they are both FileReferences, the UI is different. Also, explore the difference between the working directory and the image directory: FileLocator workingDirectory absolutePath. FileLocator imageDirectory absolutePath. The working directory depends on how the image was launched. Check out FileLocator for other well-known locations.
On 24 May 2021, at 18:39, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
Sorry yes, I gave you the screen shots without the code.
In V 9.0 if I execute the following
| working stream | working := FileSystem disk workingDirectory
I get an Inspector on /Users/davidpennington. (Not a File~Reference)
In V 8.0 I get an Inspector on a FileReference (/Users/davidpennington/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit (stable)).
As my database relies on disk paths, this is going to create a difference between the two versions which surely should not be so.
On 24 May 2021, at 16:38, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.
good to know. Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.
I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.
I do not get what is the error. Do you have a script to reproduce it. We can only fix what we can reproduce.
S.
Version 8.0 <v8.0.png>
Version 9.0
<v9.0.png>
So V 9 is different from V 8.0
Is there a fix for this?
David
On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote:
Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.
El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió: is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.
S.
On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com wrote:
Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?
Sent from my Huawei tablet
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Any question about pharo is welcome CC:
David
There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.
S.
On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
<pharo.png>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
El 24 may 2021, a las 17:38, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió:
On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.
good to know. Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.
I think the speed difference comes from the different VM. P9 runs natively on M1. P8 does not run yet natively on the M1, meaning it runs on top of rosetta (which virtualises x86 at the expense of some performance degradation).
I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.
I do not get what is the error. Do you have a script to reproduce it. We can only fix what we can reproduce.
Take into account that the UI on P9 has been through a huge effort to use Spec2 and a new iteration of the original moldable GT tools on top of Spec2. That may explain the UI differences too.
S.
Version 8.0 <v8.0.png>
Version 9.0
<v9.0.png>
So V 9 is different from V 8.0
Is there a fix for this?
David
On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote:
Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.
El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.
S.
On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?
Sent from my Huawei tablet
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Any question about pharo is welcome CC:
David
There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.
S.
On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
<pharo.png>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
On 24 May 2021, at 22:31, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote:
El 24 may 2021, a las 17:38, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió:
On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.
good to know. Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.
I think the speed difference comes from the different VM. P9 runs natively on M1. P8 does not run yet natively on the M1, meaning it runs on top of rosetta (which virtualises x86 at the expense of some performance degradation).
ah yes of course. I did not realize both where running on the same machine.
I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.
I do not get what is the error. Do you have a script to reproduce it. We can only fix what we can reproduce.
Take into account that the UI on P9 has been through a huge effort to use Spec2 and a new iteration of the original moldable GT tools on top of Spec2. That may explain the UI differences too.
S.
Version 8.0 <v8.0.png>
Version 9.0
<v9.0.png>
So V 9 is different from V 8.0
Is there a fix for this?
David
On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote:
Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.
El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.
S.
On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote:
Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?
Sent from my Huawei tablet
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it From: Stéphane Ducasse To: Any question about pharo is welcome CC:
David
There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.
S.
On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote:
<pharo.png>
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
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