For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? thanks, Norbert
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
As one of the few (maybe the only user) of Tide, I can say that it is powerful but painful ;-) Amber is changing (quite) fast, and the current version of Tide is not usable with the default version. I made some small changes to make Tide work with the current setup of Amber, but still there are a couple of "gotchas" that are needed to make it work. I wanted to write something about that, but I am still in deep development phase. If you are really interested, I may help you setup an example project. However, as Esteban said, think twice if this is what you need. Tide is quite powerful, but unless you don't need strong integration with javascript libraries Seaside is probably easier. Tommaso On 13/03/15 14:51, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P
Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
Am 13.03.2015 um 15:13 schrieb Tommaso Dal Sasso <tommaso.dalsasso@gmail.com>:
As one of the few (maybe the only user) of Tide, I can say that it is powerful but painful ;-) Amber is changing (quite) fast, and the current version of Tide is not usable with the default version. I made some small changes to make Tide work with the current setup of Amber, but still there are a couple of "gotchas" that are needed to make it work.
I wanted to write something about that, but I am still in deep development phase. If you are really interested, I may help you setup an example project. However, as Esteban said, think twice if this is what you need. Tide is quite powerful, but unless you don't need strong integration with javascript libraries Seaside is probably easier.
Thanks. That's something I (don't) wanted to hear. :) Maybe it is because there aren't that much amber users and there are (of course) even less users of amber+tide. I personally loved the idea when first encountering tide. But I know as well there are gotchas. thanks, Norbert
Tommaso
On 13/03/15 14:51, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P
Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>:
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P
Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P Norbert
Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>:
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P
Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P
Yes and we should get a documentation.
Norbert
Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:36, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>:
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P
Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P
Yes and we should get a documentation.
Yes :P here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two⦠and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until⦠well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :) Esteban
Norbert
Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
On 14 Mar 2015, at 09:05, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:36, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>:
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P
Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P
Yes and we should get a documentation.
Yes :P here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two⦠and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until⦠well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :)
Esteban
Excellent decision. Pushing out projects into open source is one (easy) thing, sticking with them, supporting them for years another (but only then become they really valuable). One should choose wisely.
Norbert
Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
Yes :P here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two⦠and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until⦠well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :)
Yes there are both important. Stef
More Reef docs, or a podcast recording (I can pick your brain there, just tell me when). I'd love to use Reef but need help to start. Phil On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:36, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>:
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P
Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P
Yes and we should get a documentation.
Yes :P here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two⦠and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until⦠well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :)
Esteban
Norbert
Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
Hi phil there is a draft of a documentation I tried to write from before esteban joined the team but since I did not know it .... It is on github in the book in the progres folder https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoInProgress Stef Le 14/3/15 13:06, phil@highoctane.be a écrit :
More Reef docs, or a podcast recording (I can pick your brain there, just tell me when).
I'd love to use Reef but need help to start.
Phil
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:36, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>:
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P
Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P Yes and we should get a documentation. Yes :P here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two⦠and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until⦠well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :)
Esteban
Norbert
Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
Thx Le 14 mars 2015 14:14, "stepharo" <stepharo@free.fr> a écrit :
Hi phil
there is a draft of a documentation I tried to write from before esteban joined the team but since I did not know it .... It is on github in the book in the progres folder
https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoInProgress
Stef
Le 14/3/15 13:06, phil@highoctane.be a écrit :
More Reef docs, or a podcast recording (I can pick your brain there, just tell me when).
I'd love to use Reef but need help to start.
Phil
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:36, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com
:
As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldnât recommend to use it today⦠unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore⦠nor amber or pharo). Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P
Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P
Yes and we should get a documentation.
Yes :P here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two⦠and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until⦠well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :)
Esteban
Norbert
Esteban
On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it?
thanks,
Norbert
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Norbert Hartl -
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Tommaso Dal Sasso