Hello, I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do. Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me. Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks. Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them. Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project. I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?). As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map. Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :) Have a nice day, Adam.
Interesting idea. Some feedback: * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle. * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what is in bootstrap and the normal Image. cheers -ben On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM, <adam@234.cz> wrote:
Hello,
I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do.
Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me.
Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks.
Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them.
Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project.
I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?).
As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
Have a nice day,
Adam.
I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family - Zinc is now inside - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is important to know from this point of view). Adam. Dne Ne 4. ÅÃjna 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
Interesting idea. Some feedback: * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle. * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
cheers -ben
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM, <adam@234.cz> wrote:
Hello,
I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do.
Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me.
Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks.
Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them.
Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project.
I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?).
As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
Have a nice day,
Adam.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Adam <adam@234.cz> wrote:
I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family - Zinc is now inside - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is important to know from this point of view).
Bootstrap refers to work being done to "bootstrap the core" per item 4.5 of... https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/30434/PharoVision.pdf I had a go at breaking a few bootstrap dependencies... https://www.mail-archive.com/pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org/msg32799.html and at times found myself wondering whether the refactored alternative I was proposing didn't introduce additional dependencies. It would be nice to have some view quick view of which packages are at which level - but revisiting my thoughts, this is probably more low level than you're aiming at, at the project level. cheers -ben
Adam.
Dne Ne 4. ÅÃjna 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
Interesting idea. Some feedback: * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle. * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
cheers -ben
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM, <adam@234.cz> wrote:
Hello,
I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do.
Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me.
Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks.
Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them.
Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project.
I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?).
As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
Have a nice day,
Adam.
I would be happy if Pharo as something like this https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/Projects or this https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir. That is not exactly what you have in mind, but I think this can be combined with your meta information. BW, Volkert On 05.10.2015 00:10, Adam wrote:
I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family - Zinc is now inside - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is important to know from this point of view).
Adam.
Dne Ne 4. ÅÃjna 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
Interesting idea. Some feedback: * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle. * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
cheers -ben
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM, <adam@234.cz> wrote:
Hello,
I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do.
Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me.
Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks.
Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them.
Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project.
I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?).
As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
Have a nice day,
Adam.
well, we have http://catalog.pharo.org who was there as a temporal solution who does not seems to be going away this year⦠so it can be enhanced to provide grouping/better links/etc. easily, I think. Esteban
On 05 Oct 2015, at 19:38, Volkert <volkert@komponentenwerkstatt.de> wrote:
I would be happy if Pharo as something like this
https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/Projects
or
this https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir.
That is not exactly what you have in mind, but I think this can be combined with your meta information.
BW, Volkert
On 05.10.2015 00:10, Adam wrote:
I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family - Zinc is now inside - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is important to know from this point of view).
Adam.
Dne Ne 4. ÅÃjna 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
Interesting idea. Some feedback: * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle. * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
cheers -ben
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM, <adam@234.cz> wrote:
Hello,
I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do.
Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me.
Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks.
Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them.
Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project.
I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?).
As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
Have a nice day,
Adam.
Both would be good. I have find catalog You mentioned, but it lacks grouping and also it has too many projects. It would be good to have structured catalog of almost all projects. But I think that map of main projects will be also very useful especially to newcommers. Adam. Dne Po 5. ÅÃjna 2015 19:58:48, Esteban Lorenzano napsal(a):
well, we have http://catalog.pharo.org who was there as a temporal solution who does not seems to be going away this year⦠so it can be enhanced to provide grouping/better links/etc. easily, I think.
Esteban
On 05 Oct 2015, at 19:38, Volkert <volkert@komponentenwerkstatt.de> wrote:
I would be happy if Pharo as something like this
https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/Projects
or
this https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir.
That is not exactly what you have in mind, but I think this can be combined with your meta information.
BW, Volkert
On 05.10.2015 00:10, Adam wrote:
I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family - Zinc is now inside - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is important to know from this point of view).
Adam.
Dne Ne 4. ÅÃjna 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
Interesting idea. Some feedback: * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle. * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
cheers -ben
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM, <adam@234.cz> wrote:
Hello,
I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do.
Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me.
Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks.
Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them.
Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project.
I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?).
As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
Have a nice day,
Adam.
+1 i like the idea of a pharo capability map with all the related projects and framework. i have the same feeling as you. For a newcomer its is really hard get a picture of what is behind the plenty strange framework names. A structured list of the main frameworks with a short description would be helpfull. Why not starting with a overview of the ecosystem & projects and put it on github (https://github.com/pharo-project). I will support you. BW, Volkert On 04.10.2015 01:54, adam@234.cz wrote:
Hello,
I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do.
Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me.
Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks.
Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them.
Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project.
I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?).
As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
Have a nice day,
Adam.
as You suggested I prepared list of projects in github. I was not able to add it into pharo-project, so I created it under my account. https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family Still it is very incomplete version. More projects can be included, more details can be added. And moreover hierarchy of concepts could be more like this: Data/modelling Data/persistency Data/persistency/database Data/conversion Adam. Dne Ne 4. ÅÃjna 2015 17:38:31, Volkert napsal(a):
+1
i like the idea of a pharo capability map with all the related projects and framework. i have the same feeling as you. For a newcomer its is really hard get a picture of what is behind the plenty strange framework names. A structured list of the main frameworks with a short description would be helpfull.
Why not starting with a overview of the ecosystem & projects and put it on github (https://github.com/pharo-project).
I will support you.
BW, Volkert
On 04.10.2015 01:54, adam@234.cz wrote:
Hello,
I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do.
Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me.
Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks.
Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them.
Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project.
I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?).
As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
Have a nice day,
Adam.
Have a look at the book EntreprisePharo: a web perspective it will help you get some names :) Le 4/10/15 01:54, adam@234.cz a écrit :
Hello,
I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo and what thay can do.
Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so, please, post it to me.
Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other important projects and frameworks.
Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names or logos of projects that are related to them.
Text in rectangles should represents main attributes of nearby project.
I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very important (or enterprise ready...?).
As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
Have a nice day,
Adam.
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