Yeah I think I will delay that idea and take a deeper look at grafoscopio. I think we can have a nice replacement to help tool. On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 3:44 PM Vitor Medina Cruz <vitormcruz@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, many things to do and I wasn't able to look at the Pharo list.
*Dimitris:*
I really like you idea, and I think it will certainly be better than the videos. I didn't know of Grafoscopio, and I found it interesting too. Do you need someone to test? In latter stages I could try convince some people to try the tutorial too and provide feedback.
*Offray:*
Thanks for the links, I added them to my read list :)
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:40 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
+ 1 :)
share codevelop and expand :)
Le 27/10/16 à 17:43, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas a écrit :
Hi Dimitris,
Goals 1 to 6 overlap with the ones Grafoscopio. Could you test it please to see if we can work together in some way or Grafoscopio could work as a foundation for your work? In that way we could break the lonely developer reality for this one.
Cheers,
Offray
On 27/10/16 09:00, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
I decided to make a new version for ProfStef released under then name "Pharo Live Tutorial".
My goals are to: 1) add to it a history panel, so the user can navigate to the part he wants. 2) group parts into chapters to make progress more clear 3) break some parts to smaller parts to ensure smooth learning curve 4) add it to the help section of the world menu , so it is far more visible to the user 5) link parts to relevant chapter and section of PBE5 (or any other relevant book), so the user can easily access more detailed info in case he wants to. 6) Design the tool so it can accommodate multiple tutorials, each having its own chapters and parts 7) Design a GUI to navigate to tutorials 8) Integrate it with GTSpotter so the user can easily find the information he or she wants 9) Integrate small challenge games to help the user test what he learned and have fun at the same time, with ability to be awarded with a score in terms of "levels" and of course badges for achievements ;) 10) Provide an integrated blog (nothing fancy, just text) , for latest news about pharo , this blog will be basically copying some of my blog posts , to show to users that we are alive and kicking and not just an almost dead project and of course advertise the hard work of many of my fellow guardians of the light.
PS: obviously references to Stef will remain and he will be credited as author of the tutorial
Can't promise when it will be ready and can't promise first version will include all the above but this is the direction I want to go with this. This live interactive tutorial will replace my video tutorials since they are too hard to keep updated.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:04 PM Vitor Medina Cruz <vitormcruz@gmail.com> wrote:
*stepharo:*
Why not pushing/improving
either UPBE ProfStef With the Mooc Counter example: In TWO MINUTES people get something DONE a simple counter. What else can it be.
I run the following experience during my lecture. I give 1 hour presentation about pharo / vision / sneakpeek and ask them to watch the counter video and redo it and it works!
Indeed, you can. My opinion was in the lines of improving Profstef :)
Mooc may be good in a class with a teacher for the student to take doubts, but I find a little confusing for someone that finds it by its own in pharo.org.
I have some friends on the field, some are overseas (I am in Brazil) and when the opportunity comes I talk about Smalltalk and Pharo and how good it is, then:
1- Some get interested and asks for reference, I usually point to the Proftef, the site and the PBE; 2- Some are interested and we are close so I can I explain something myself and show the environment, maybe pairing; 3- Sometimes someone got interested and went to the pharo.org by itself and I know of that only afterwards.
In every situation people got confused :(
The best time was 2, because I could explain better what was going on, but usually people try by itself, and that don't went well. For example, some report to me that had made the exercise from PBE and got really confused in the end: what was that I was doing? Where are my classes again? Workspace? Where is the code again? What happened?
I think it is hard for someone that already internalize the concept of image and self contained environment to understand why this confusion is happening, but when you come to think about it that is not so strange because people are used to files and all those crap static stuff, so it is kind of a huge paradigm shift learning Pharo: it *is* confusing for them.
But it seems to me that you are focusing more on fresh people, been teach on classrooms and such, right now. That may be good, I am not sure if people already in the industry can be cooped in enough size to be able to improve Pharo community and use.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
funnily dale I read it like you wish :)
Le 26/10/16 à 21:53, Dale Henrichs a écrit :
On 10/26/16 12:13 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:
Hi,
On the issue of contributing to Free, Libre, Open Source Software (FLOSS) projects, I have been reading recently Nadia Eghbal and her analysis that confirm that most FLOSS projects are done by individuals and small teams, which is contrary to the bazaar narrative. This comic shows the point:
and you can find more details here: https://medium.com/@nayafia/what-success-really-looks-like-in-open-source-2d...
After skimming the actual article and finding that the points made in the article are valid I would have wished that the right panel in the cartoon had said "one more pull request before going to bed" since that is closer to what the article is about ... an active, community that contributes is also an important component and something that Pharo/Smalltalk community does indeed have.
Dale