Norbert, you nailed it ;-) Easy and cheap and lots of layers of magic infrastructure nailed and hammered onto each other don't go well with each other. I am still a fan of having some server - virtual or physical - that I can reinstall from scratch and as little moving parts as possible on top of that. I rather have a little collection of sheets on which I wrote down each single step of installing what's needed and a good backup of ini files and whatnot than a pile of "stuff" that makes things "easy". I know, that's so 90ies, but hey, we're using Smalltalk from the 70ies ;-) Joachim Am 13.04.21 um 18:09 schrieb Norbert Hartl:
I read the title which contains âeasiest/cheapestâ and then you drop names âdockerâ, "CI which injectsâ and âstages" ⦠this invalidates at least âeasiestâ and maybe âcheapestâ as well. I think I missed the intent of this mail. So can you give a few more details otherwise it is hard to meet the âeasiest on this level of requirementsâ
Norbert
Am 12.04.2021 um 10:36 schrieb Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works>:
That is cheap 3e/m is definitely worth considering⦠but I guess you do have to take care of your own patching etc right (which isnât necessarily horrible, but does require a bit of extra effort to track things). I was interested in whether the next step up in the food chain using Docker images that are hosted for you, might lessen the burden a bit? E.g. if your CI injects a pharo image into the latest âsafeâ docker image from the community - then hopefully you are insulated from all of this. It does look like this is becoming a reality if that dockerize.io soln plays out (I got that working, its cheap - however they havenât answered any of my email queries⦠so I do wonder how real it actually is). The fallback would definitely be something like Hetzner or Digital Ocean I guess.
Tim
On 12 Apr 2021, at 08:47, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <jeff@rogerthedog.com>:
Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you discounting that idea? Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband up-speeds aren't too bad. I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't needing a guaranteed up time.
My cloud instance is 3â¬/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit.
Norbert
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