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1. Re: PharoJVM (Ben Coman)
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:16:58 +0800 From: Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM Message-ID: <CAProBTmaNFmR029FA==CYY6deepQG4=b+S2NgqtoWP6ZdaOVZg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 8:41 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
Java cannot do become:, so, that's not going to be a "real" smalltalk.
I do work w/ Java & Scala on a project.
First, JAR hell -> productivity killer
Second, lots of infrastructure needed: IDE, Maven, Artifactory, ... -> another productivity killer
Long story short: prototype the thing in Pharo and if good enough, run it there. I've done that for one project of late. Net resut: it takes 5x the engineers and 3x the time to do the same in X than with Pharo. A nice insight to a very interesting marketing technique ;) Many know the quote "Plan to throw one away." So you don't need to convince them upfront to adopt a technology unknown to them - but then they see it working and balance that against dollars. I guess if later Pharo encounters some insurmountable barrier, they can still do the originally planned re-inplementation in Java they originally planned - without too much loss of face - but they get to do it from a well worn prototype.
cheers -ben
If you want to do Java/Scala, by all means, go there. But why the hell is this going to be so important?
Read https://www.quora.com/Of-the-emerging-systems-languages-Rust-D-Go-and-Nim-wh...
for lots of pro/cons arguments on other languages (which do not give a shit about Java mean you).
Phil
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 11:41 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
At Redmonk <http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2015/07/01/language-rankings-6-15/> , Scala is a top 20 language (position #14). It's a widely used language, too, though not in the same league as Java nor Python. Even Clojure and Groovy are in the top 20.
Scala is much, much more popular and widely used than Smalltalk. If Smalltalk could rise to Scala's level, it would be a huge win.
The reason Amber and Redline and others have never achieved popularity is primarily due to the lack of proper marketing. There are a gazillion programming languages out there vying for developer attention. Smalltalk is completely lost in the noise. It's a great platform, but if it doesn't have developer /mindshare/, people won't try it. How do you think they'll find their way to Smalltalk/Pharo? By divination?
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