and thanks very much for posting your update - and with the summary on that directive I believe that many experienced people see config and build/strip and 'base image' issues as the real challenges to Smalltalk in industrial settings ( the success stories may fail to reveal the pain that was endured - the usual caveat) ( even if back in the day the IT pundits carried on about memory footprint, bytecode and VM, not 'C' compiler, so why not LISP yada-yada ) Native widgets, 3D and all the jQuirky web-tricks pale when a mission critical app gets attention from top brass in a corporation because of a bad build or a config snaffu that "would never happen" if we used { here read Erlang, Gnu D or whatever ) What is not seen is the utter madness of trying to get an Eclipse config that is correct (useable code can be committed to a repo from that workspace) when arriving on any large team Java project running on Eclipse in a corporate setting where there is new work, custom work and maintenance. Not that getting started with an appropriate build does not take more than 5 business days often enough .... ( a scandal, yes, but it just keeps repeating - as any gray-haired St contractor can tell you ... ) The 'C' and 'C++' myth as you surely know is called "configure-make" ... If anything like this had been required to land 747's at Hong Kong Kai-tak a lot of people would have been crossing the Pacific in ships and clipper ships ;-) ... and forget about that cardiac bypass surgery at Cleveland Clinic. ( see redundancy and reliability in gauges vs CRM in the cockpit - and some tower controllers in the past who would be advising you that your gear were, in fact, down ;-) Thankfully, the typical Chevy or Toyoto mechanic does not have to do a build to get your car back to you with new or adjusted brakes ;-) ( yes, ABS - and the Smalltalk analog being ... ) Someone should tell the Adobe FLASH team ... NOT. I would go on, but I have to update my Adobe Reader ... thanks again Sent with neither Adobe AIR not Microsoft SilverLight on the box - and after only one re-boot fo a DLL update ;-) " Now let's reset JAVA_HOME to point at 1.4.4299 so that I can get this Ruby Gem to install ! " R no PCRE used to spell check the above rant no devotee to Scala or Clojure should reply with a flame on this list : if you think you are here, you are actually lost in a Feedax Cessna Caravan at dusk in a UT box canyon at low altitude and high airspeed with BINGO fuel and a Ctr of Lift a bit too near or sliding behind your C of G and now he asks "Was it you who tied down the freight or was it me ?"