Thanks, Dale. I saw one of those threads: http://forum.world.st/seaside-stable-on-pharo-13-td3746815.html And I'm sure I can find more detailed instructions when I go digging. That thread above refers to me as a naive user, which is pretty accurate. I'm pretty willing to learn how to configure using command-line, though, so that doesn't bother me. The development environment is one of the things that has attracked me to Squeak and Pharo, though, and it would seem kind of a loss to not get the benefits of the RefactoringBrowser, which I think depends on OB. Also, how many of those naive benefits, besides the component configuration, will go away? Do you lose the component halos and other development tools? ________________________________ From: Dale Henrichs [via Smalltalk] [ml-node+s1294792n3896901h82@n4.nabble.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:56 AM To: Joel E. Wilson Subject: Re: Loading Seaside 3.0 cripples System browser Tangaloor, Other systems have conditional compilation and Smalltalk has conditional loading ... OmniBrowser and its eco system is very brittle ... it seems that they OB is constantly breaking when the underlying system changes (not surprising at one level), but that causes particular problems for Seaside, because it must have one window that is written against OB ... I think that the OB configuration is no longer maintained so it is a shame that this is affecting the use of Seaside30... one can load without that particular OB dependency but you need to understand a little more about Seaside and Metacello (you must decide which packages you want over and above the Base system). I never load the full system anymore, because of the headaches that OB causes ... it does seem to be constantly broken ... If I had my druthers I would change the Seaside30 configuration so that it was easy to exclude OB, but I am not the only one making decisions about the config ... I am a bit busy for the next few days, but if you ping me at the end of the week, I will publish the instructions for loading Seaside30 without OB ... if you google around a bit you will probably find several threads on this topic (and even quite possibly instructions on how to load Seaside30 without OB:)... Dale -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Loading-Seaside-3-0-cripples-System-browser-tp3880813p... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.