2014-10-03 2:47 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo@free.fr>:
On 2/10/14 20:43, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote:
I don't want to sound harsh, but there is no VISIBLE interest from the Pharo board/committee regarding ORM and/or RDBMS support other than a CI task.
Do you really mean that the board is a kind of jerks and idiots that are lazy bastards?
Please slow down, I never, ever, suggested even remotely that. I said there is no VISIBLE interest. In the latest Consortium Report it isn't even listed. It's not a topic that attracts interest as Spec and other things does.
If people that have interest in ORM do not help us how can make progress. When did you send a fix to Pharo? Remember Pharo is Yours.
I use it daily for my business, which on some aspects of its technology stack like DB feels more like a bet than a safe decision. I submitted a few commits to GLORP and PostgresV2 packages, does that count?
Esteban is working like a mad on making sure that Spur is coming to us. May be we can say to esteban to stop Spur and 64 bits after and some VM bug fix and support for integrating better and .... to focus on Glorp and DBTalk.
I know, and I understand the priorities given the limited manpower. That's why I mentioned I was making no demands, I was simply giving my opinion.
Now when as a community did we help the consortium, the board and the community?
Few days ago I asked a question in the Pharo-Business regarding this, and got NO REPLY.
I did not see it.
Sept 30, subject "Better ORM tools/alternatives"
I'm making no demands here, just giving my opinion about a "business feature" (DBs) that I'd like better supported. This is on our roadmap.
Not in https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-workingRoadmaps.
With the money of the consrortium I hope that we will be able to pay someone (I have an idea) to improve this support but there is no magic - if people that needs it do not give an hand.... - if people that needs it do not participate to the consortium then it will be at our speed. Because other Pharo clients like Thales wants multi windowing support, we need better Text, better events ....
Please don't excuse yourself or the consortium, there is no need, I understand what it is to have a big backlog and a limited manpower/money to tackle all of it in a short time.
May pythoners are cooler than Pharoers when it comes to helping write code and documentation?
I have no idea, I don't participate in any Python community. But please consider that accusing me (or anybody) of treating you as jerks or suggesting that if I don't send fixes I shouldn't emit opinions is totally discouraging. I know you're passionate and you live&love Pharo, and hence you speak that way, and I can understand that, but even if I understand who, how and why you're saying something it somehow hurts the feeling of belonging to the community (to which I feel part of). Best regards!